Showing that an element has order 2 if product of 2-cycles

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The discussion revolves around proving that an element in the symmetric group ##S_n## has order 2 if and only if its cycle decomposition consists of commuting 2-cycles. Participants explore the implications of cycle decomposition and the properties of permutations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Some participants attempt to establish the proof by analyzing the cycle decomposition of a permutation and its implications on the order of the permutation.
  • Questions arise regarding the necessity of disjoint cycles in the decomposition and the validity of certain cycle combinations, such as ##(12)(23)##.
  • Others suggest that a simpler approach might involve directly calculating ##\sigma^2## and examining the conditions under which the cycles commute.
  • There is a discussion about the assumptions needed for the proof, particularly regarding the uniqueness of cycle decomposition and the relationship between the orders of cycles.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and alternative approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of properties of commuting cycles and the implications of cycle decomposition, but no consensus has been reached on the best method to prove the statement.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of defining cycle decomposition clearly and the implicit assumptions about the nature of cycles in the symmetric group. There is also mention of the need to clarify the conditions under which certain permutations commute.

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Homework Statement


Show that an element has order 2 in ##S_n## if and only if its cycle decomposition is a product of commuting 2-cycles.

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The Attempt at a Solution


Suppose that ##\sigma \in S_n## and ##| \sigma | =2##. Let the cycle decomposition of ##\sigma## be the following: ##\sigma = c_1 c_2 \dots c_m##. Then ##| \sigma | = lcm (|c_1|, |c_2|, \dots , |c_m|) = 2##. This is the case only if the ##|c_i| = 1## or ##|c_i| = 2## with at least one such that ##|c_i| = 2##. Hence ##\sigma## is a product of disjoint 2-cycles.
\Now, suppose that the cycle decomposition of ##\sigma## is a product of commuting 2-cycles: ##\sigma = c_1 c_2 \dots c_m##, where ##|c_1| = \cdots = |c_m| = 2##. Then ##| \sigma | = lcm (|c_1|, |c_2|, \dots, |c_m|) = lcm (2,2, \dots, 2) = 2##.

Is this at all a correct proof? Is there a way to do this without assuming a permutation can be decomposed uniquely into disjoint cycles, or that the order of a permutation is the least common multiple of the orders of the cycles in is decomposition?
 
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This works if you have previously shown that ##|\sigma| = \operatorname{lcm}(|c_i|)##. The cleaner way is to just use that the ##c_i## have order 2 (which is trivial to show) and that, since they commute, ##\sigma^2 = c_1^2 c_2^2 \ldots c_m^2 = e^m = e##.
 
Mr Davis 97 said:

Homework Statement


Show that an element has order 2 in ##S_n## if and only if its cycle decomposition is a product of commuting 2-cycles.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Suppose that ##\sigma \in S_n## and ##| \sigma | =2##. Let the cycle decomposition of ##\sigma## be the following: ##\sigma = c_1 c_2 \dots c_m##. Then ##| \sigma | = lcm (|c_1|, |c_2|, \dots , |c_m|) = 2##. This is the case only if the ##|c_i| = 1## or ##|c_i| = 2## with at least one such that ##|c_i| = 2##. Hence ##\sigma## is a product of disjoint 2-cycles.
Why do they have to be disjoint, resp. why is ##(12)(23)## no cycle decomposition? And you can eliminate the identities by simply demanding ##c_i \neq 1##.
\Now, suppose that the cycle decomposition of ##\sigma## is a product of commuting 2-cycles: ##\sigma = c_1 c_2 \dots c_m##, where ##|c_1| = \cdots = |c_m| = 2##. Then ##| \sigma | = lcm (|c_1|, |c_2|, \dots, |c_m|) = lcm (2,2, \dots, 2) = 2##.
As @Orodruin has said, a simple calculation of ##\sigma^2## is easier. It also has the big advantage, that you actually see, why the commutation part is essential!
 
fresh_42 said:
Why do they have to be disjoint, resp. why is ##(12)(23)## no cycle decomposition? And you can eliminate the identities by simply demanding ##c_i \neq 1##.

As @Orodruin has said, a simple calculation of ##\sigma^2## is easier. It also has the big advantage, that you actually see, why the commutation part is essential!
Don't they have to be disjoint 2-cycles since I demanded to being with that the cycle decomposition of ##\sigma## is a product of disjoint cycles?
So I see how the backward direction is easier by just assuming they commute and raising the product to a power of 2. But is the forward direction okay? How could I show the forward direction without the use of the result ##|\sigma| = \operatorname{lcm}(|c_i|)##?
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Don't they have to be disjoint 2-cycles since I demanded to being with that the cycle decomposition of ##\sigma## is a product of disjoint cycles?
Yes, but only implicit in the word "cycle decomposition". Since you haven't filled out part two of the template which I personally consider even more important than part three, although our rules lay emphasis on own effort, you have to rely on the fact that everybody knows, that ##(12)(23)## isn't a decomposition whereas ##(123)## is. I think you should have mentioned this somewhere because it is crucial for the proof.
So I see how the backward direction is easier by just assuming they commute and raising the product to a power of 2. But is the forward direction okay? How could I show the forward direction without the use of the result ##|\sigma| = \operatorname{lcm}(|c_i|)##?
Both directions are correct, since you already have proven ##|\sigma \tau|=\operatorname{lcm}\{\,|\sigma | , |\tau | \,\}## in case ##[\sigma,\tau]=1## and disjoint permutations commute. However, both facts are necessary for your way to prove it - plus a proper definition of a cycle decomposition. You see, there are many hidden statements, which you all assumed to be known.
 

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