Vibration Damping Help: CR3-100 Damper Cutoff Frequency

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The discussion revolves around understanding the cutoff frequency of the CR3-100 damper, particularly in the context of vibration damping for a mass-spring system. Participants explore how to determine the appropriate frequency for effective isolation and attenuation of vibrations, referencing technical specifications and application guides.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the cutoff frequency of the CR3-100 damper and its relationship to the KN/m value provided in the technical sheet.
  • Another participant suggests that the cutoff frequency is dependent on the modal frequency of interest, which is influenced by the mass on the spring, and notes that isolation typically begins at 1.4 times the natural frequency.
  • A participant mentions that the catalogue indicates a natural frequency of one-third the excitation frequency is necessary for 80% attenuation.
  • Several participants discuss the need to isolate a system from frequencies above 30 Hz and how to calculate the required natural frequency and stiffness to achieve this attenuation.
  • There is a question regarding the cancellation of units in the Kv equation, with participants expressing confusion about the relationship between Newtons, hertz squared, and meters per second squared.
  • One participant confirms the calculations for static load and stiffness, indicating that the fourth isolator option works for the desired attenuation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for calculations related to the damper's performance but express uncertainty regarding the specific cutoff frequency and the unit cancellation in the Kv equation. Multiple views on the interpretation of the technical specifications remain present.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential dependencies on specific definitions and assumptions regarding the mass-spring system and the parameters for vibration isolation. The discussion does not resolve the uncertainties surrounding the cutoff frequency and unit cancellation.

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Hello i was looking at the damper CR3-100 as seen in the pic. Howver from the tech sheet given i cudnt make out what's the cutoff freq of this damper...i mean which is the frequency beyond which it doesn't let the frequency pass...what to make of this KN/m value?
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Can you provide a link to that datasheet?
 
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I googled it. There is an application guide in the catalogue.

Its a mass spring system. The cut off frequency will depend on the modal frequency of interest (ie what mass is on the spring). Isolation usually starts 1.4x the natural frequency.

So it really depends on how much attenuation of vibraion you want. The catalogue suggests a natural frequency 1/3 the excitation frequency for 80% attenuation.
 
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xxChrisxx said:
I googled it. There is an application guide in the catalogue.

Its a mass spring system. The cut off frequency will depend on the modal frequency of interest (ie what mass is on the spring). Isolation usually starts 1.4x the natural frequency.

So it really depends on how much attenuation of vibraion you want. The catalogue suggests a natural frequency 1/3 the excitation frequency for 80% attenuation.
The total mass of the system is 4 kgs resting on two dampers
 
All you need to do is work through page 38 of the catalogue. What aspect are you struggling with?
 
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xxChrisxx said:
All you need to do is work through page 38 of the catalogue. What aspect are you struggling with?
The system i have needs to be isolated from 30 hz freq...which means anything above 30 hz shud be damped...so how wud i know which freq this under discussion damper wud cut?
 
You know the mass value - 4kg. So you can use part 1 on page 38 to calculate the static load per isolator W.

You stated that it must attenuate above 30Hz. So this is your 'input excitation frequency'. You can use part 2 on page 38 to work out the required natural frequency of the system to provide 80% attenuation.

From that you can then calculate the maximum stiffness to allow this Kv.

Have a go at calculating these figures.
 
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xxChrisxx said:
You know the mass value - 4kg. So you can use part 1 on page 38 to calculate the static load per isolator W.

You stated that it must attenuate above 30Hz. So this is your 'input excitation frequency'. You can use part 2 on page 38 to work out the required natural frequency of the system to provide 80% attenuation.

From that you can then calculate the maximum stiffness to allow this Kv.

Have a go at calculating these figures.
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xxChrisxx said:
You know the mass value - 4kg. So you can use part 1 on page 38 to calculate the static load per isolator W.

You stated that it must attenuate above 30Hz. So this is your 'input excitation frequency'. You can use part 2 on page 38 to work out the required natural frequency of the system to provide 80% attenuation.

From that you can then calculate the maximum stiffness to allow this Kv.

Have a go at calculating these figures.
By the way how the units in the last Kv equation are cancelling out??...i mean there is Newton and hertz^2 in the numerator and m/s^2 in the denominator
 
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They look about right to me. So to provide the desired attentuation from 30Hz
W = 20N
Kv = 7.8 KN/m

From the catalogue it states that:
W < Static Max
Kv < Kv of isolator

So from the there are 4 tunes of isolator you posted in the OP. Which one works?
The reason why this works is that once you go past the natural frequency, the vibration is out of phase with the input. So you start to get attenuation. I suggest you read up on vibration transmissibility.
 
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xxChrisxx said:
They look about right to me. So to provide the desired attentuation from 30Hz
W = 20N
Kv = 7.8 KN/m

From the catalogue it states that:
W < Static Max
Kv < Kv of isolator

So from the there are 4 tunes of isolator you posted in the OP. Which one works?
The reason why this works is that once you go past the natural frequency, the vibration is out of phase with the input. So you start to get attenuation. I suggest you read up on vibration transmissibility.
The fourth one works...i still don't get how the units in Kv equation cancel out...Chris thankyou so much for the help...Appreciate it
 

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