What Is the Minimum Damping Constant to Limit Vibration Amplitude to 3.2 mm?

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The discussion revolves around determining the minimum damping constant required to limit the vibration amplitude of a sensitive instrument to 3.2 mm when subjected to vibrations from a machine operating at a frequency of 0.8 Hz and an amplitude of 8.0 mm. The context includes theoretical calculations involving natural frequency, damping ratios, and the effects of damping on vibration amplitude.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants clarify that the natural frequency is not 0.8 Hz but rather calculated to be 8.165 rad/s (approximately 1.3 Hz), based on the mass and spring constant provided.
  • There is a suggestion to determine the forcing function necessary to produce an amplitude of 8.0 mm without the damper, and then use that to find the required damping constant to reduce the amplitude to 3.2 mm.
  • One participant questions the number of springs depicted in the diagram, noting a discrepancy between the stated four springs and their observation of only two springs.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of correctly setting up the differential equation for the system and solving for the damping constant based on the steady-state solution.
  • There are expressions of uncertainty regarding the correctness of the equations used and the possibility of mathematical errors in the initial calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the natural frequency is not 0.8 Hz, but there is no consensus on the correctness of the equations or the approach to solving for the damping constant. Multiple competing views on the setup and calculations remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential issues with the assumptions made in the calculations, including the effective spring constant when considering multiple springs and the need for clarity in the setup of the differential equation.

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Homework Statement


A sensitive instrument with the mass of 30 kg should be installed in a labratory. In the labratory, there exist a machine that causes the floor to vibrate with the frequency of 0.8 Hz and with the amplitude 8.0 mm, each with the spring constant k = 500 N/m. Its then connected to a damper according to the figure.

http://s716.photobucket.com/user/Pitoraq/media/Mek22_zpsec302081.png.html
(note the 4 springs)Determine the smallest value that the damping constant c can have so that the vibration amplitude for the instrument due to the floors vibration never go over 3.2 mm

Homework Equations



X = b(ω/ωn)^2/√[1-(ω/ωn)^2)^2+[2ζω/ωn]^2) (1)
ωn = √(4k/m) (2)
ζ = c/(2mωn) (3)

ω = 2πf = 5.026 rad/s
ωn = 8.165 rad/s

X = 8.0 mm
b = 3.2 mm

The Attempt at a Solution



I started with (1) to solve for the damping factor ζ, but when i did that and plugged the values in i only got imaginary numbers. I am not sure if i done it right. Since i only need to know ζ to solve for c in (3)
 
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0.8Hz is not the natural frequency. At the natural frequency, without damping, the amplitude would be infinite!

The frequency is 0.8Hz with and without damping. It's the frequency of the forcing function in your diff. equations.

Determine the forcing function necessary to produce an amplitude of 8.0 mm without the damper, then use that forcing function to determine c needed to reduce the amplitude from 8.0 mm to 3.2 mm.

P.S. I see only 2 springs. Are you sure there are four?
 
rude man said:
0.8Hz is not the natural frequency. At the natural frequency, without damping, the amplitude would be infinite!

It doesn't look like the OP assumed 0.8 Hz as the natural frequency. According to his calculations, the natural frequency is 8.165 rad/s, which is equivalent to 1.3 Hz, as obtained from plugging the values m = 30 kg and k = 500 N/m into Eq. (2).

The frequency is 0.8Hz with and without damping. It's the frequency of the forcing function in your diff. equations.

Determine the forcing function necessary to produce an amplitude of 8.0 mm without the damper, then use that forcing function to determine c needed to reduce the amplitude from 8.0 mm to 3.2 mm.

P.S. I see only 2 springs. Are you sure there are four?

Looking at the diagram, you see only one view of the test apparatus. I think you can assume the test device has a spring at each corner.
 
SteamKing said:
It doesn't look like the OP assumed 0.8 Hz as the natural frequency. According to his calculations, the natural frequency is 8.165 rad/s, which is equivalent to 1.3 Hz, as obtained from plugging the values m = 30 kg and k = 500 N/m into Eq. (2).

I agree. I should have been more careful ...
 
Does anyone know how to solve this ?

What should i do ?

Should i solve for wn ?
 
The big question is whether your equations are correct. Either they're not or you made a math mistake somewhere.

The basic approach is to write the differential equation for the system: ∑ F = ma = mx''. Your initial conditions on x and x' are zero. You have a forcing function on x = xf = 8mm sinωt where ω = 2π(0.8 Hz).

I.e. you have something like mx'' + kx + cx' = m d2/dt2{xf}.

k is the EFFECTIVE spring constant. With 4 springs what would that be?

You then solve for x(t) and then solve that equation for c given x(t) = 3.2 mm max.

If you're not sufficiently familiar with ordinary linear constant-coefficient differential equations you'll have to either go with what you were taught or use the Web where there are lots of good analyses of this sort of problem. NOTE: you are interested in the STEADY-STATE solution only.

E.g http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/oscdr.html
 
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