Viewing a webpage means downloading it?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of whether viewing a webpage equates to downloading it. Participants explore the implications of web browsers requesting and storing webpage data, the definitions of downloading, and the management of cached data.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that when a browser requests a webpage, it is indeed downloading the page, as it takes up space on the computer.
  • Others argue that there are different definitions of "download," with one focusing on receiving data and another on storing it locally for later use.
  • One participant notes that browsers cache webpages in a temporary directory, which can fill up and is managed automatically.
  • There is a question about the typical size of a webpage, with references to external sources for average page weight.
  • Some participants highlight that a significant portion of webpage data is often comprised of images, contributing to larger sizes and more HTTP requests.
  • A historical perspective is provided regarding the impact of caching on load times in the era of dial-up internet.

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Participants express differing views on the definition of downloading and whether viewing a webpage constitutes downloading. There is no consensus on the implications of these definitions or the typical size of a webpage.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes varying assumptions about the definitions of downloading and caching, as well as the implications for storage management. The size of webpages is noted to vary significantly based on content.

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Hello Forum,

everytime our browser requests a webpage from a web server to view, the server sends the requested page back to the browser. Does that mean that the page is being downloaded by the browser? I don't think so. We can in fact "save" a webpage and I believe that is when we would be downloading it.

But aside from saving it, once the browser receives the webpage it must store it somewhere and that takes up space, i.e. memory, correct? But how is that different from downloading the page?
If in one day we visit 100 webpages, it seems we would be getting a lot of stuff to store on our personal computer...
thanks for any clarification

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Yes, your browser downloads the page and it takes space on your computer. If it didn't, how would you be able to see the web page?
fog37 said:
If in one day we visit 100 webpages, it seems we would be getting a lot of stuff to store on our personal computer...
Your computer store web pages in a cache which is usually just a temp directory on your computer. You can set the maximum amount to store and the browser deletes old content as it fills up.
 
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It seems you're asking for the correct definition of the term "download". There exist at least two different definitions.
1. Receiving any kind of data object (e.g. a file) from another computer/device through a network
2. Receiving a file and storing it locally for later use, i.e. not just as a temporary file to facilitate the streaming of media
The first definition is preferred by many IT professionals, the second is important in regards to the copyright law to distinguish streaming from downloading.
 
Ok, thanks.

So the webpages are actually being downloaded into a location on our computer (the temp folder) that fills up and automatically empties itself. If it didn't empty itself it would take so much storage considering how many webpages we view during a day or a month...

The size of a webpage varies and depends on its content (videos, etc.). What would you say the typical size of a webpage is?
 
Wow, two megabytes and close to a hundred individual HTTP requests per page! It looks like more than 2/3 of the bytes and more than half of the HTTP requests are for images.
 
jtbell said:
Wow, two megabytes and close to a hundred individual HTTP requests per page! It looks like more than 2/3 of the bytes and more than half of the HTTP requests are for images.
Yer not livin' if yer browser doesn't have at least 1 Gbyte of web content cache reserved on the hard drive.
 
@fog37, one of the things that any decent "cleanup" program does is (optionally) clear out the cache and other forms of temporary storage that, as you say, given free reign would grow forever (although as has also been pointed out, there are limiting mechanisms built into the browsers and operating systems).
 
In the olden days before high-speed internet, when everything was dial up, you used to have to wait for pages to load, and the ones with images were the slowest. Page caching was a way to cut down on load times for frequently viewed pages.
 

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