Violation of the second law of thermodynamics?

In summary, the conversation discusses a question about a reversible isothermal expansion of an ideal gas and the apparent violation of the second law of thermodynamics. The solution involves adding another term that involves dissipation and considering the relationship of total entropy for a closed system. It is noted that in certain situations, the total entropy can remain unchanged without violating the second law.
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This is a basic conceptual question that i encountered when i was reading the section on Entropy on the book by K. Huang on statistical mechanics, it goes like this. In a reversible isothermal expansion of an ideal gas, i know that the change in internal energy is zero, which leaves, by the use of the first law an expression that says that the heat absorbed by the system is equal to the work done, which is a violation of the second law, because it's saying that the system converts all the heat into work, so why does this is a valid transformation?


The Attempt at a Solution


I think that we need to add another term that involves dissipation.
 
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It's been a really long time since I've taken thermodynamics, so bear with me. (If anybody else wants to jump in, by all means do so). But since nobody has responded yet to this post yet, I'll give it a shot on a few hints.

The second law of thermodynamics states for a closed system (overall),

ΔStotal ≥ 0

But keep in mind,

ΔStotal = ΔSinternal_system + ΔSsurroundings

Keeping all that in mind, note that the relationship in the second law is a "≥" sign, and not a ">" sign. There are situations where total entropy can remain unchanged (that's where the "equal to" part of the "greater than or equal to" fits in).

[Edit: Well, "ideal, theoretical situations" I should have perhaps said.]
 
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