Visible light Over Large Distances

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The discussion centers on how visible light from stars is perceived by the naked eye in the night sky, exploring the mechanisms of light emission, energy loss, and interactions with interstellar matter. It includes considerations of both theoretical and observational aspects of light behavior over large distances.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how light maintains enough energy in the visible spectrum for visibility at night and proposes that light may start as high-energy photons that lose energy over distance.
  • Another participant asserts that light from stars is emitted and reaches us as visible light, with no energy loss unless obstructed by dust clouds, which only dims the light rather than changing its frequency.
  • A later reply suggests that light emitted at non-visible frequencies could be absorbed and re-emitted as visible light after interacting with dust clouds, although it primarily remains at its original frequency, just dimmer.
  • One participant introduces additional physical processes, such as gravitational redshift and classical Doppler effects, which can affect the energy of photons as they travel through space.
  • Another participant mentions that light can lose energy through mechanisms like inelastic or Raman scattering, although these are often neglected in discussions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of light energy loss and the conditions under which light becomes visible, indicating that multiple competing views remain without consensus.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the interactions of light with matter and the specific conditions under which energy loss occurs, as well as the implications of various scattering processes.

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Visible light Over Large Distances
How does light maintain enough energy in the visible part of the spectrum for the naked eye to see in the night sky. Also, how did it start of in the visible frequency part of the spectrum. Was it, for example, photons being ejected at that frequency after high energy particle interaction. Or does the light become visible (spectrum) after hitting our atmosphere or space dust or something?

EDIT: Actually I just thought. Maybe the EM starts off as very high energy (outside the visible spectrum) But then over distance it loses energy and then becomes visisble as it's frequency reduces. Can anyone confirm
 
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Light from stars is emitted as visible light and reaches us as visible light (ditto the other frequencies stars emit). No energy is lost on the way except if there are dust clouds or other stuff in the way that absorbs light, but that doesn't change light into microwaves or something - it mostly just makes it dimmer.

Light from distant galaxies is redshifted in flight, but only really sensitive telescopes can see those.
 
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Ibix said:
Light from stars is emitted as visible light and reaches us as visible light (ditto the other frequencies stars emit). No energy is lost on the way except if there are dust clouds or other stuff in the way that absorbs light, but that doesn't change light into microwaves or something - it mostly just makes it dimmer.

Light from distant galaxies is redshifted in flight, but only really sensitive telescopes can see those.
Thanks.
So I guess also that light emitted in the non visible (higher frequencies) could interact with, say, dust clouds (as you mention) and then continue their journey to the naked eye in the visible spectrum having been absorbed (lost some energy) and re-emitted as visible?
 
RobbyQ said:
So I guess also that light emitted in the non visible (higher frequencies) could interact with, say, dust clouds (as you mention) and then continue their journey to the naked eye in the visible spectrum having been absorbed (lost some energy) and re-emitted as visible?
Mostly it's just dimmer, not at different frequencies. There are absorption and re-emission processes, which is why things like nebulae glow at all, but if you're looking at a star (even through a dust cloud) then you're seeing the spectrum the star emits, not some shifted version of it.
 
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Essentially true; there are however some additional physical processes to take into account.

Difference in gravitational potential causes a redshift or with satellites a slight blue-shift.
A photon has to perform work to leave a star and looses energy, i.e. redder.

The star (and the galaxy it is in) can be moving in any direction this gives a classical doppler effect.

Light traveling through the universe can also loose some energy due to subtle mechanisms as inelastic or Raman scattering.
As far as I know this is normally neglected.
 
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