Visualizing GR Geometry: Software for Einstein Field Equations

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The discussion revolves around the visualization of General Relativity (GR) geometry through software that can represent the Einstein Field Equations. Participants explore the feasibility of creating such software, its potential capabilities, and existing tools for related calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that GR can be understood as geometry characterized by 20 numbers related to Weyl and Ricci curvature, suggesting that software could visualize this geometry based on various inputs.
  • Others clarify that the problem is more complex, involving a system of partial differential equations rather than just 20 numbers.
  • There are mentions of existing software used for calculating gravitational wave emissions from binary inspirals, though details on specific programs and their functionality are limited.
  • Concerns are raised about the stability, convergence, and accuracy of numerical integration algorithms used in such software, with a note that these programs often require supercomputers for effective computation.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the practicality of using personal computers for solving the Einstein Field Equations, questioning the necessity of supercomputers given modern computing capabilities.
  • GRTensor is mentioned as a software tool for algebraic manipulation of tensors in GR, but its usability is questioned, along with other symbolic algebra programs like Maple and Mathlab.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the feasibility of creating software for visualizing GR geometry. There are competing views on the complexity of the problem and the capabilities of existing software.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the unresolved nature of the computational challenges associated with the Einstein Field Equations and the varying opinions on the usability of existing software tools.

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General Relativity is just geometry with 20 numbers corresponding to Weyl and Ricci curvature. It's possible to write software that can let you input say the mass or stress energy or whether it's Sitter or de Sitter space and other variables.. then it can input the corresponding 3D graphic representation of the equivalent 4D geometry to visualize whether it collapses into black hole or other solutions to the Einstein Field Equations.

Are there such software? What's it called.. and if impossible to write the software, why impossible?
 
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There are 20 numbers at every point in space-time. So it's not just 20 numbers, it's a system of partial differential equations.

There is software that people use for calculating the gravitational wave emission from binary inspirals (for comparison with experimens, such as Ligo), but I don't know a whole lot about it, except that it was a tricky problem to get it all working and converging. As with any numerical integrator, there are issues of stability, convergence, and accuracy of the numerical integration algorithims. I believe the programs that are used for this are typically run on supercomputers, so don't expect one on your PC soon.

There is also some software out there (GRTensor, for instance, though I wouldn't necessarily recommend that particular package nowadays that will aid in the algebraic manipulation of the various tensors GR uses. Some of these are free, they're basically built on top of symbolic algebra programs, programs that can manipulate and solve equations algebraically like Maple, Mathlab, and Macsyma. The last is free, and does have some GR software, but it's not terribly user friendly to say the least.
 
mieral said:
General Relativity is just geometry with 20 numbers corresponding to Weyl and Ricci curvature. It's possible to write software that can let you input say the mass or stress energy or whether it's Sitter or de Sitter space and other variables.. then it can input the corresponding 3D graphic representation of the equivalent 4D geometry to visualize whether it collapses into black hole or other solutions to the Einstein Field Equations.

Are there such software? What's it called.. and if impossible to write the software, why impossible?
Oh it is possible all right, and you even can have it for nothing. Beware though, it's one thing having it, but quite another to know what to do with it!
 
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There are 20 numbers at every point in space-time. So it's not just 20 numbers, it's a system of partial differential equations.

There is software that people use for calculating the gravitational wave emission from binary inspirals (for comparison with experimens, such as Ligo), but I don't know a whole lot about it, except that it was a tricky problem to get it all working and converging. As with any numerical integrator, there are issues of stability, convergence, and accuracy of the numerical integration algorithims. I believe the programs that are used for this are typically run on supercomputers, so don't expect one on your PC soon.

If you are manually solving for the Einstein Field Equations for say a typical black hole. How long does it usually take? is it one week? one month? a year?

Do you know how fast our PC are these days. They can compute for you what you could manually do in a week or two.. why do we need Supercomputers to compute for the Einstein Field Equations??

There is also some software out there (GRTensor, for instance, though I wouldn't necessarily recommend that particular package nowadays that will aid in the algebraic manipulation of the various tensors GR uses. Some of these are free, they're basically built on top of symbolic algebra programs, programs that can manipulate and solve equations algebraically like Maple, Mathlab, and Macsyma. The last is free, and does have some GR software, but it's not terribly user friendly to say the least.
 

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