Voltage required for penetration of an unknown element

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the voltage required for a proton to penetrate an unknown element with a specified nucleus charge and radius. The context is rooted in electrostatics, particularly focusing on the interactions between charged particles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss calculating potential differences and forces between charges, with some questioning the correct approach to find the required voltage. There is exploration of the relationship between force and voltage in the context of Coulomb's law.

Discussion Status

The discussion has seen various attempts to approach the problem, with some participants offering insights into the nature of Coulomb forces and potential energy. There is an indication of productive dialogue, with hints provided to guide understanding without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential omissions in the problem statement regarding the charges involved, which may affect the calculations. There is also a mention of the integration of work done in the context of electric potential.

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Homework Statement


An unknown element has a nucleus with charge 14.00 e and a radius of about 3.60×10-15 m. How much voltage must be used to accelerate a proton (radius 1.20×10-15 m) so that is has sufficient energy to just penetrate the unknown element?
Assume that the potential is that for point charges.

Homework Equations


V = kQ/r

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried calculating the two potential differences caused by the incoming proton and the positively charged atom, then adding them separately, but it seems that this isn't the right answer/ right approach.
V = (8.99e9*(14*(1.6e-19))/3.6e-15) + (8.99e9(1.6e-19)/1.2e-15) = 6.79e6 V
Any pointers would be very much appreciated!
 
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You are looking for the amount of energy (work) to bring two charges into contact. What is the force between two charges?
 
So then I should use F=fqQ/r^2 to find the force between the two charges when they meet? I did that (and got 6.71E-13N) -- so then I can find the acceleration, but I'm still not sure how value this would be used to calculate voltage?
 
Just wanted to know if you were familiar with the general Coulomb repulsion/attraction. The problem statement has apparently done the integration for the work, but omitted one of the charges, perhaps to give you a potential (rather than work) in terms of volts per unit charge. Hint enough?
 
Oh, I got the answer now. I forgot that the calculation for potential difference only involves the charge acting on the proton, and doesn't involve the charge of the proton itself. Thanks for your help!
 

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