Volume between a region (above x-axis and below parabola) and a surface

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The discussion revolves around evaluating double integrals to find the volume between a region defined by a parabola and the x-axis. The original poster presents two different approaches to the integration, leading to conflicting results.

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  • The original poster attempts to evaluate the volume using two different orders of integration, resulting in different outcomes. They question where their mistake lies. Some participants confirm the correctness of the parametrization but suggest a reevaluation of the first integral's evaluation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's work, providing feedback on the evaluations. There is a focus on clarifying the reasoning behind the integration steps and the importance of considering absolute values in the context of symmetry.

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Participants note the significance of symmetry in the problem and the implications of not using absolute values in the integration process. The discussion highlights the potential for misunderstanding in the evaluation of integrals involving square roots.

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Homework Statement
Let R be the part of the xy-plane above the x-axis and below the parabola ##y=1-x^2##. Find
the volume between R and the surface ##z=x^2 \sqrt{1-y}##
Relevant Equations
Double Integral
Integration in the order of dy then dx:
$$\int_{-1}^{1} \int_{0}^{1-x^2} x^2 \sqrt{1-y} ~dy~dx$$
$$=\int_{-1}^{1} -x^2 \left[\frac{2}{3} (1-y)^{\frac{3}{2}}\right]_{0}^{1-x^2}dx$$
$$=\int_{-1}^{1}\left(-\frac{2}{3}x^5 + \frac{2}{3} x^2\right)dx$$
$$=\left. -\frac{1}{9} x^6 + \frac{2}{9} x^3\right|_{-1}^{1}$$
$$=\frac{4}{9}$$

Integration in the order of dx then dy:
$$\int_{0}^{1} \int_{-\sqrt{1-y}}^{\sqrt{1-y}}x^2\sqrt{1-y}~dx~dy$$
$$=2\int_{0}^{1} \int_{0}^{\sqrt{1-y}}x^2\sqrt{1-y}~dx~dy$$
$$=2\int_{0}^{1} \sqrt{1-y} \left[\frac{1}{3} x^3\right]_{0}^{\sqrt{1-y}}dy$$
$$=\frac{2}{3}\int_{0}^{1}(1-y)^2 dy$$
$$=-\frac{2}{9} \left. (1-y)^3\right|_{0}^{1}$$
$$=\frac{2}{9}$$

I got two different results. Where is my mistake?

Thanks
 
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Both integrals are correctly parametrised. The result of the second integral is correct.

In the first integral you should evaluate instead to
<br /> \sqrt{(1-y)^3} \Bigg\vert _0^{1-x^2} = \sqrt{x^6} - 1 = |x|^3 -1<br />
yielding
<br /> -\frac{2}{3}\int _{-1}^1 x^2(|x|^3-1)dx = \frac{2}{9},<br />
as required.
 
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nuuskur said:
In the first integral you should evaluate instead to
<br /> \sqrt{(1-y)^3} \Bigg\vert _0^{1-x^2} = \sqrt{x^6} - 1 = |x|^3 -1<br />
yielding
<br /> -\frac{2}{3}\int _{-1}^1 x^2(|x|^3-1)dx = \frac{2}{9},<br />
as required.
How to know that the correct working should be like this, not like the one I did?

Thanks
 
Because it's always been the case that ##\sqrt{a^2} = |a|##.

Visually, if you take the integral first w.r.t ##y##, you are finding the "area" of an "infinitely thin" slice of the body of interest along the ##x##-axis. But if you don't take absolute value, you lose symmetry w.r.t the plane ##x=0##. In other words,
<br /> -\frac{2}{3} \int_{-1}^0 x^2(x^3-1)dx \neq -\frac{2}{3} \int_{0}^1 x^2(x^3-1)dx.<br />
 
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Thank you very much for the help and explanation nuuskur
 
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