Volume between plane x+y+z=1 and xy-plane

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The problem involves finding the volume between the plane defined by the equation x+y+z=1 and the xy-plane, under specific constraints for x and y. The original poster attempts to set up the necessary integrals to calculate this volume but encounters discrepancies between their result and the expected answer from their textbook.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the integrals, with some questioning the limits of integration and the interpretation of the plane's position relative to the xy-plane. There are suggestions to visualize the problem through drawing to aid understanding.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on re-evaluating the integrals and breaking down the limits of integration into sections based on the values of x. The discussion is ongoing with no explicit consensus reached, but there is a productive exchange of ideas regarding the setup of the problem.

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The original poster expresses uncertainty about their integral setup and mentions checking their work against an external source. Participants note the importance of visualizing the problem to clarify the relationships between the variables involved.

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Homework Statement



Find the volume between the plane x+y+z = 1 and the xy-plane, for x+y\leq2, x\geq0, y\geq0.

The Attempt at a Solution



First, the plane is above the xy-plane for y < 1-x and below the xy-plane for y > 1-x, so we'll need two integrals. This is how I set them up.

\int^{1}_{0}\int^{1-x}_{0}\int^{1-x-y}_{0}1dzdydx - \int^{2}_{0}\int^{2-x}_{1-x}\int^{1-x-y}_{0}1dzdydx

This gives me an answer of 7/6, but my book has 1 as the answer. I'm assuming my setup is wrong, since I checked the evaluation of the integrals in wolfram alpha. But I can't see what I did wrong. The innermost integrals give z-value of the given plane. The middle integrals sum those stacks from 0 to 1-x above the xy-plane and from 1-x to 2-x below the xy-plane. And then the outermost integrals sum those slices from the y-axis to the boundary at 0=1-x and 0=2-x respectively.

Help would be much appreciated.
 
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Weird. I tried evaluating your integrals, and I got (1/6)-(-3)=(19/6).

See what you get by evaluating the second integral again. I don't know if I made a mistake or not.
 
Try drawing a picture of the volume that you're trying to find. When I took multi-V, I noticed that helped me visualize the question better, which is essential to setting up your integral equation.
 
Opus_723 said:

Homework Statement



Find the volume between the plane x+y+z = 1 and the xy-plane, for x+y\leq2, x\geq0, y\geq0.

The Attempt at a Solution



First, the plane is above the xy-plane for y < 1-x and below the xy-plane for y > 1-x, so we'll need two integrals. This is how I set them up.

\int^{1}_{0}\int^{1-x}_{0}\int^{1-x-y}_{0}1dzdydx - \int^{2}_{0}\int^{2-x}_{1-x}\int^{1-x-y}_{0}1dzdydx

This gives me an answer of 7/6, but my book has 1 as the answer. I'm assuming my setup is wrong, since I checked the evaluation of the integrals in wolfram alpha. But I can't see what I did wrong. The innermost integrals give z-value of the given plane. The middle integrals sum those stacks from 0 to 1-x above the xy-plane and from 1-x to 2-x below the xy-plane. And then the outermost integrals sum those slices from the y-axis to the boundary at 0=1-x and 0=2-x respectively.

Help would be much appreciated.

The dydx portion of your second integral needs to be broken into two sections. y goes from 1-x to 2-x only when x is between 0 and 1. When x is between 1 and 2 y goes from 0 to 2-x. Draw a picture of y = 1-x and y = 2-x in the xy plane and you will see it.
 
Nice going.
 
LCKurtz said:
The dydx portion of your second integral needs to be broken into two sections. y goes from 1-x to 2-x only when x is between 0 and 1. When x is between 1 and 2 y goes from 0 to 2-x. Draw a picture of y = 1-x and y = 2-x in the xy plane and you will see it.

AHA! Thank you! I actually had already drawn the picture, but I've been staring at it forever without noticing that! Now I feel dumb. I'm kind of in a studying binge and I think I'm starting to burn out a bit. Thank you though.
 

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