Volume Between Two Surfaces Defined by Boundary Values

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The problem involves finding the volume between two surfaces defined by the equations z = x² + y² and z = 2 - (x² + y²). The discussion centers around understanding the boundaries of the volume and the appropriate method for calculating it.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the intersection of the two surfaces and the implications for setting up the volume calculation. There are attempts to define the volume in terms of polar coordinates and to clarify the boundaries for integration. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of the "lower part" and "upper part" of the volume.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the volume setup and questioning the assumptions made in the original post. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to split the volume into parts based on the intersection of the surfaces, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

Contextual Notes

There is confusion regarding the limits of integration, particularly when the radius r increases and how it affects the inequalities for z. The discussion reflects a need for clarity on the geometric relationships between the surfaces involved.

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Homework Statement


Find the volume between z = x2 + y2 and z = 2 - (x2 + y2).


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The Attempt at a Solution


if r2 = x2 + y2
then the lower part of the volume is defined by:
r2 [itex]\leq[/itex] z [itex]\leq[/itex] 2 - r2
and: 0 [itex]\leq[/itex] r [itex]\leq[/itex] 1
the upper part by:
2 - r2 [itex]\leq[/itex] z [itex]\leq[/itex] r2
and: 1 [itex]\leq[/itex] r [itex]\leq[/itex] [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]

[itex]\int\int\int[/itex]1 dxdydz, after switching to polar coordinates I get
[itex]\int\int\int[/itex]r drd[itex]\Theta[/itex]dz

Theta varies from 0 to 2 pi. That leaves me with taking the integral with respect to r and z.
I do it for z first, then finally for r. Then add the two volumes. But it's wrong.

Any ideas?
 
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those 2 curves intersect at x=1 and the plane z=1 , I would break it up into 2 parts and go from z=1 to the top of the paraboloid and then do the second part from the bottom paraboloid to the plane z=1 , because if you don't do that your radius is not always going to the same thing. Actually now that I look at it you kinda did that.
 
Hi Inertigratus! :smile:

(have a square-root: √ and a pi: π and a ≤ :wink:)
Inertigratus said:
Find the volume between z = x2 + y2 and z = 2 - (x2 + y2).

… the lower part of the volume is defined by:
r2 [itex]\leq[/itex] z [itex]\leq[/itex] 2 - r2
and: 0 [itex]\leq[/itex] r [itex]\leq[/itex] 1

nooo :redface:, that's the whole of the volume :wink:
 
Hehe, now you got me confused... :P
It's the whole volume?
I split it, because when r = 1, then 1 ≤ z ≤ 1, if you go up to r = √(2) then 2 ≤ z ≤ 0, which looks a bit weird since 0 is not greater than 2...
So lower part from 0 ≤ r ≤ 1, upper part from 1 ≤ r ≤ √(2)
Is that wrong? :P
 
I guess the question is: what do you mean by the "lower part"? What you have, [itex]2- r^2\le z\le r^2[/itex], is incorrect because the paraboloid [itex]z= 2- r^2[/itex] is above the parabolid [itex]z= r^2[/itex].
 
It's confusing...
Because, I know that when r = 0, then 2−r2 is obviously larger than r2.
What's confusing me is that when r is increasing, and reaches r2 = 2, then the inequality doesn't make any sense. 2 ≤ z ≤ 0 makes no sense.
So I was thinking as I said in my first post, that I would have to split it into volumes.
Above z = 1 and below z = 1.
 

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