Volume bounded by 3 surfaces, did I do this correctly?

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The problem involves finding the volume of a solid bounded by the surfaces defined by the equations (x^2 + y^2 + y)^2 = x^2 + y^2, x + y + z = 3, and z = 0. The subject area pertains to multivariable calculus, specifically the use of cylindrical coordinates for volume integration.

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  • The original poster attempts to convert the equations to polar coordinates and set up a triple integral for volume calculation. Some participants question the bounds of integration for r, suggesting that r depends on θ and should not be treated as a constant. Others provide alternative bounds and suggest a different integral setup.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the bounds for r in the context of cylindrical coordinates. Some guidance has been offered regarding the dependence of r on θ, and there is an ongoing examination of the algebraic manipulation involved in deriving the correct limits for integration.

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There is a discussion about the implications of changing to polar coordinates and the potential loss of information when simplifying the equations. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their approach, indicating a need for clarification on the integration bounds.

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Homework Statement


Find the volume of the solid bounded by the surfaces
## (x^2 + y^2 + y)^2 = x^2 + y^2 ##
##x + y + z = 3 ##
and ##z = 0##

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I begin by converting to polar coordinates to do a cylindrical integration with 3 variables.

## (x^2 + y^2 + y)^2 = x^2 + y^2 ## becomes ##r^4 + 2r^3\sin\theta + r^2\sin\theta = r^2##

##x + y + z = 3 ## becomes ##z = 3 - r\cos\theta - r\sin\theta##

I graphed the first equation and found that 2 is the maximum value of r. Now I write a triple integral in cylindrical coordinates.

$$V = \iiint_E f(r\cos\theta,r\sin\theta,z) r\,dz\,dr\,d\theta$$

then
$$\int_{0}^{2\pi}\int_{0}^{2}\int_{0}^{3-r\cos\theta-r\sin\theta}r\,dzdrd\theta$$
then
$$\int_{0}^{2\pi}\int_{0}^{2}3r-r^2\cos\theta-r^2\sin\theta\,drd\theta$$
then
$$\int_{0}^{2\pi}6-\frac{8}{3} \cos\theta-\frac{8}{3} \sin\theta\,d\theta$$
which then becomes
$$[12\pi + \frac{8}{3}] - [-\frac{8}{3}]$$
final answer
$$12\pi + \frac{16}{3}$$

I just want to know if what I did makes sense and if this is the correct answer.

Thanks in advance!
 
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You need to take into account that r depends on theta, and as such you can't simply integrate it from 0 to 2 like you would with a cylinder of constant radius.

After a bit of algebra you should find that r is bounded between 0 and 1-sinθ, so the integral you want to evaluate is:

\int_0^{2\pi} \int _0^{1-sin\theta} \int_0^{3-rcos\theta-rsin\theta} rdzdrd\thetawhich I found to be 23/4 pi, but you may want to double check that for yourself.
 
Ah, thank you so much! I knew it felt too easy ?:)
 
Can you help me understand how you found that r is bounded by 1-sinθ and 0?
 
So you have (x^2+y^2+y)^2 = x^2+y^2.

After converting to cylindrical coordinate and a bit of rearranging you have
r^2 + r(sin\theta-1) = 0

Solving for r using the quadratic formula will give you r = 0 and r = 1-sinθ.
 
jbstemp said:
So you have (x^2+y^2+y)^2 = x^2+y^2.

After converting to cylindrical coordinate and a bit of rearranging you have
r^2 + r(sin\theta-1) = 0

Solving for r using the quadratic formula will give you r = 0 and r = 1-sinθ.
Surely, you would just factor out an ##r## giving ##r(r+(\sin\theta-1))=0## instead of using the quadratic formula.

But that isn't the whole story. What you actually get upon changing to polar coordinates is$$
r^4 + 2r^3\sin\theta+\sin^2\theta = r^2$$Upon dividing out ##r^2## and losing the trivial ##r=0##:$$
r^2+2r\sin\theta + \sin^2\theta = 1$$ $$
(r+\sin\theta)^2-1=0$$ $$
(r+\sin\theta + 1)(r+\sin\theta -1) = 0$$So you actually get two solutions: ##r = \pm 1 - \sin\theta##. It turns out they both give the same cardioid but traced differently.
 

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