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The problem involves finding the volume generated by revolving the area bounded by the curves y=x^2, y=4, and x=0 around the line y=-2. Participants are exploring the use of both the washer and shell methods for this calculation.

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  • Participants discuss setting up integrals for both the washer and shell methods, with attempts to express the volume in terms of dy and dx. There are questions about the correctness of their integrals and the results they are obtaining.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the setup of their integrals and the results they are getting, particularly noting discrepancies when using computational tools. Others provide insights into the setup of the washer and shell methods, suggesting different approaches to the problem.

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There are indications of potential misunderstandings regarding the application of the washer and shell methods, as well as how to correctly evaluate the integrals involved. Participants are also questioning the impact of moving constants in and out of the integrals.

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Homework Statement


Find the area given by y=x^2, y=4, x=0 and revolved about y = -2

Use either the washer or shell method

Homework Equations


Shell; integral from a to b of 2∏x(f(x))dx

The Attempt at a Solution


Alright so I tried to do this is terms of dy so since we are revolving about y=-2 which would be the horizonal axis. I got x= sqrt(y) and then I set up the integral from 0 to 4 of 2pi(y-2)(sqrt(y))dy

but this seems to be giving me a volume of 0 which means I've got to be doing something wrong!

I also attempted it with a dx and I decided to use the integral from 0 to 2 of 2 pi(x-2)(4-x^2)dx but received a value of 0 as well! I feel like this means that I am doing something consistently wrong which is kind of good, but I would like to fix that.
 
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Ok so now I am really confused. I mean integral from 0 to 4 of 2pi(y+2)(sqrt(y)) and when I enter that in wolfram I don't get the correct value, but when I move the 2pi out of the integral and then multiply I get the right answer? I thought it wasn't supposed to matter...
 
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Ok so now I am really confused. I mean integral from 0 to 4 of 2pi(y+2)(sqrt(y)) and when I enter that in wolfram I don't get the correct value, but when I move the 2pi out of the integral and then multiply I get the right answer? I thought it wasn't supposed to matter...
I'd guess you are entering it into Wolfram wrongly. Maybe a problem with the parentheses?
 
Using the washer method, a vertical line from y= -2 through the figure, at fixed x, crosses it at (x, x^2) and (x, 4) so the inner and outer boundaries are at distance x^2+ 2 and 4+ 2= 6. Those are the inner and outer radii of the "washer". The area of such a "washer" will be \pi(x^2+ 2)^2- \pi(6)^2= \pi(x^4+ 4x^2- 32). The thickness of such a washer will be "dx" so the volume \pi(x^4+ 4x^2- 32)dx. Integrate that from x= 0 to x= 1.

Using the "shell method", at a given y, the "shell" will have length x- 0= \sqrt{y} and will rotate around a radius y- (-2)= y+ 2, describig a circle of circumference 2\pi(y+ 2). The area of such a shell will be 2\pi(y+ 2)\sqrt{y}. The thickness will be "dy" so the volume of 2\pi(y+ 2)\sqrt{y}dy. Integrate that from y= 0 to y= 4.
 

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