Volume of Grand Coulee Dam: Calc via Slices

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The discussion revolves around calculating the volume of the Grand Coulee Dam using definite integrals and horizontal slicing. The dam has a rectangular base with specific dimensions and a cross-section that participants are attempting to analyze through geometric and calculus-based methods.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are exploring the use of similar triangles and linear equations to set up the integral for volume calculation. There are attempts to derive the equation of the line representing the dam's cross-section, with varying degrees of success. Some participants express uncertainty about their methods and seek clarification on their reasoning.

Discussion Status

Several participants have shared their attempts to derive the necessary equations, with some providing feedback on each other's reasoning. There is a collaborative effort to refine the equations and set up the integral correctly, with hints and suggestions being exchanged. While some participants have arrived at numerical results, there is no explicit consensus on the final approach or solution.

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Participants are constrained by homework requirements that necessitate the use of calculus and slicing methods, despite acknowledging alternative methods for volume calculation. There is a focus on ensuring the accuracy of the derived equations and the setup of integrals.

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Homework Statement



A dam has a rectangular base 1500 meters long and 140 meters wide. Its cross-section is shown in the figure. (The Grand Coulee Dam in Washington state is roughly this size.) By slicing horizontally, set up and evaluate a definite integral giving the volume of material used to build this dam.

The height at the top is 10m, bottom is 140m, and the height is 130m.

Homework Equations


I tried to use similar triangles but I really have no idea how to do this.
Any suggestions?


The Attempt at a Solution


130-h / 130 = w/140
w= 130-(h/130)
but integrating this and multiplying by the base (1500) gives the wrong answer.
 
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Shinaolord said:

Homework Statement



A dam has a rectangular base 1500 meters long and 140 meters wide. Its cross-section is shown in the figure. (The Grand Coulee Dam in Washington state is roughly this size.) By slicing horizontally, set up and evaluate a definite integral giving the volume of material used to build this dam.

The height at the top is 10m, bottom is 140m, and the height is 130m.

Homework Equations


I tried to use similar triangles but I really have no idea how to do this.
Any suggestions?


The Attempt at a Solution


130-h / 130 = w/140
w= 130-(h/130)
but integrating this and multiplying by the base (1500) gives the wrong answer.
Can you post the figure?
 
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Yes, here.
 

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Shinaolord said:

Homework Statement



A dam has a rectangular base 1500 meters long and 140 meters wide. Its cross-section is shown in the figure. (The Grand Coulee Dam in Washington state is roughly this size.) By slicing horizontally, set up and evaluate a definite integral giving the volume of material used to build this dam.

The height at the top is 10m, bottom is 140m, and the height is 130m.

Homework Equations


I tried to use similar triangles but I really have no idea how to do this.
Any suggestions?


The Attempt at a Solution


130-h / 130 = w/140
w= 130-(h/130)
but integrating this and multiplying by the base (1500) gives the wrong answer.

When h= 0 you are getting w = 130 and when h = 130 you are getting w = 129. Both wrong. Redo your linear equation. You will know it's right when you get the correct values for w.
 
So, I am not even sure how to obtain the formula, i tried using the two points (5,130) and (70,0). I got this by placing the coordinate system's origin down the middle of the dam. Doing this I got the equation

$$f(x) = -12x +190$$
maybe insead of 12, the slope i 1.2?

which is obviously wrong. But I want to explain my method so I know if I'm at least on the right path

I defined A(x) as the area between y=130 and f[x], giving me the formula
/begin{equation*}$$\int_{0}^{5} 130 dx + \int_{5}^{70} f(x) dx =\frac{A(x)}{2}$$/end{equation*}
The 1/2 A(x) comes from the symmetry across the y-axis using my coordinate system.
Is that part right? FOr some reason, finding the equation of the line is proving to be very difficult even though I know how to find the formulas for lines. Geometric problems are challenging for me.
 
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I have an idea. Would the slope, m, be equal to -130/70?

it seems correct.
 
Shinaolord said:
I have an idea. Would the slope, m, be equal to -130/70?

it seems correct.
If you are using the points, (5,130) and (70,0) , then the slope is not -130/70 , although that's pretty close.

Neither is it -12 nor -1.2 .

Slope is rise over run, right?
 
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-130/65?

Wow, I feel stupid.
 
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-130/65?

Yup.

and -130/65 = -2 .
 
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So, I can just use that equation as F of X in the integral equation I posted above? And if not where did I go wrong in that equation? Please don't explicitly tell me, but hints are great thank you very much for your assistance

Edit:
If this post in the above post look weird, it's because I'm using Siri on my iPhone to translate my words into text and it's not good with math
 
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Shinaolord said:
So, I can just use that equation as F of X in the integral equation I posted above? And if not where did I go wrong in that equation? Please don't explicitly tell me, but hints are great thank you very much for your assistance

Edit:
If this post in the above post look weird, it's because I'm using Siri on my iPhone to translate my words into text and it's not good with math

What do you now get for f(x) ?
 
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I get $$f(x) = -2x +140$$.
 
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Shinaolord said:
I get $$f(x) = -2x +140$$.

Looks good.

Now set-up that integral.
 
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Okay, so...

$$ \int_{0}^{5} 130 dζ + \int_{5}^{70} -2ζ+140 dζ = \frac{A(ζ)}{2} $$

Which come out to
$$ \int_{0}^{5} 130 dζ = 650 $$
$$ \int_{5}^{70} -2ζ+140 = 4,255 $$

$$ A(ζ) = 2( 650+4,255) = 9,750$$ m2

Now, we have a dam that is 1,500 meters long, and

$$V(ζ , x ) = A(ζ) *Δx$$ where $$Δx = 1,500$$ m

$$V(ζ , x ) = 9,750*1,500 = 14,625,000$$ m3
 
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That is correct. Note that this problem could have been done without calculus. Using the midline of the trapezoid whose length is the average of the top and bottom widths you get (ave.width)(height)(depth) = (75)(130)(1500) =14,625,000
 
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Yes I realize that and I used that to check my answer at the end, but were supposed to use slices to find it otherwise we do not get points so I had to do it this way thanks for the alternative method though!
 

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