Volume of Hot & Cold water required for a known volume and temperature

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the volumes of hot and cold water required to achieve a specific temperature and volume of mixed water, particularly in the context of a solar thermal array system. The focus includes theoretical calculations and practical applications using Arduino for control mechanisms.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their setup involving a solar thermal array and the need to calculate the volumes of hot and cold water for a desired output temperature and volume.
  • Another participant provides a formula to calculate the volumes of hot and cold water based on the desired temperature and the temperatures of the hot and cold supplies.
  • A later reply confirms the provided formula works and asks for further resources to understand its derivation.
  • Another participant elaborates on the relationship between the volumes and temperatures, suggesting a weighted average approach and the use of simultaneous equations to solve for the volumes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical approach to calculate the required volumes, but there is no consensus on the best resources for understanding the derivation of the formulas presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the ideal mixing of water and does not address potential heat loss or other practical considerations in a real-world application.

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I've just set a solar thermal array for research for my thesis. I would like to simulate different usage patterns to see how the system performs. I'm doing this using a Arduino with temperature sensors at the top hot the tank and on the cold supply which will then control a motorised valve which will dump hot water based on the usage patterns I set. I'm struggling to work out how to calculate this.

So for example if I want to dump 50l at 45°C and the hot water store is a 60°C and the coldwater supply is at 10°C.

I need to work out the volume of hot and cold water required. (and tell the motorised valve to open for a time based on the volume calculated)

I've been playing around with Q=mcΔT for a couple of day, and think I need to rearrange the equation to give me a ratio of the hot/cold water then calculate the actual volume based on how much I want to dump.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?
 
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jmar71n said:
So for example if I want to dump 50l at 45°C and the hot water store is a 60°C and the coldwater supply is at 10°C.
Desired vol = V
Desired temp = Td
Hot temp = Th
Cold temp = Tc
Vol hot needed = V*(Td-Tc)/(Th-Tc)
Vol cold needed = V*(Th-Td)/(Th-Tc)
Is that what you're after?
 
Thanks haruspex! That works.. I've just tested it experimentally

Do you know what I should look up to get a better understanding to this as where it was derived?
 
Suppose Vol hot needed = Vh and Vol cold needed = Vc.
V = Vh + Vc
The resulting temperature will be a weighted average of the two source temperatures:
Td*V = Th*Vh + Tc*Vc
Then it's just the standard process of solving two simultaneous equations.
 

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