Volume & Pressure: Calculate Cubic Feet of Air for 100 PSI Tank

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around calculating the volume of air in a one cubic foot container when filled to a pressure of 100 PSI. It involves concepts from physics, specifically gas laws, and addresses the conditions under which the calculations are made, such as temperature and pressure references.

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  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Dave asks how many cubic feet of air a one cubic foot container holds when filled to 100 PSI, clarifying that this is for an air tank he is building.
  • Some participants note that the question requires additional specifications regarding temperature and pressure conditions to be meaningful.
  • One participant suggests that the volume of air needed at standard temperature and pressure (STP) to achieve 100 PSI in the container is approximately 6.8 cubic feet, based on Boyle's Law.
  • Another participant confirms the use of Boyle's Law to derive the volume, providing a formula and calculation that results in 6.8 cubic feet of air at standard pressure.
  • A later reply points out that if the 100 PSI is a gauge pressure, the absolute pressure should be considered, leading to a different volume calculation of 7.8 cubic feet.
  • Concerns are raised about safety when working with pressurized tanks, indicating that caution is necessary.
  • One participant expresses regret over a mistake in their earlier post, indicating a desire to correct it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the exact volume calculation due to differing interpretations of pressure (gauge vs. absolute) and the assumptions regarding temperature. Multiple competing views remain regarding the correct approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully clarified the assumptions regarding temperature and pressure conditions, which affects the calculations. The discussion also highlights the importance of distinguishing between gauge and absolute pressure in such calculations.

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Hi people. I need some assistance for a problem that is beyond me. If I have a container that measures one cubic foot, and I fill it to 100 PSI, how many cubic feet of air is it holding? I'm not a student and you're not doing my homework for me, this is for an air tank I am building and I don't know the math. Thanks in advance for any assistance you can offer. If this is the wrong place to ask this question, please accept my apologies.

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You need to specify something extra for the question to make sense. A one cubic foot container contains one cubic foot of air, by definition. Are you asking how what volume of air at a certain temperature and pressure would you need to bring the pressure in the one cubic foot container to 100 PSI? Or conversely are you asking what volume one cubic foot of air at 100 PSI would fill at room temperature and pressure? Are you always talking about room temperature and pressure or some other temperature and pressure?
 
I suspect the OP wants to know the volume of air it takes at STP. This volume would be roughly 100/14.7 (about 6.8) cu. ft. It follows from Boyle's Law PV = constant.
 
OK. Temperature is constant, room temp. The container hods one cubic foot at room temp, sea level air pressure. If I pumped air into it at room temperature, sea level, how much air would I be adding to make the gauge read 100 PSI?
 
Like Gokul already mentioned, it's solved using Boyle's law:

P_1 V_1 = P_2 V_2

(14.7 \frac{Lb_f}{in^2}) V_1 = (100 \frac{Lb_f}{in^2})(1 ft^3)

V_2 = 6.80 ft^3

Since you are using it as a tank, that may or may not be a useable amount depending on what you are doing with the tank. Just thought I'd mention that. Good luck.
 
Gokul answered your question in anticipation. Boyle's Law says PV=const. so the volumes will be in the same ratio as the pressures. As 1 atmosphere pressure is 14.7 PSI, you require 100/14.7 * 1 cubic foot = 6.8 cu. feet of standard pressure air (assuming you want to keep everything at the same temperature, of course.)
 
Thanks all. That answers my question.
 
Note that the pressure terms are absolute. If 100PSI is gauge reading then volume the container holds is 114.7/14.7 = 7.8cu.ft
 
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I hope MastaFace doesn't blow him/herself up. Fiddling with tanks and pressures can be dangerous and requires due attention to safety precautions, and he/she doesn't seem to know a lot about it...
 
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Gack. Good catch on the mistake Quark. I wish I could edit my original post.
 
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