Volumes at C and D in a Carnot cycle

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a Carnot cycle involving a diatomic gas, where the original poster seeks to determine the volumes at points c and d after having calculated the pressures at points a and b. The problem includes specific conditions such as volumes and temperatures.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the relationship PVγ = constant for the adiabatic process but expresses confusion about the meaning of the constant and whether they are on the right track. Some participants inquire about the definitions of the points in the Carnot cycle.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the relationships between the points in the Carnot cycle and clarifying the processes involved. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of the ideal gas law for isothermal processes and the implications for points a and b.

Contextual Notes

The original poster has not provided a figure that illustrates the Carnot cycle, which may limit understanding of the problem context. There is also a reference to specific volumes for points c and d from the textbook, which may not align with the poster's calculations.

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Homework Statement


A Carnot cycle, shown in Fig. 20-7, has the following conditions: Va = 7.5 L, Vb = 15 L, TH = 470°C, and TL = 260°C. The gas used in the cycle is 0.50 mil of a diatomic gas, y = 1.4. Calculate (a) the pressures at a and b; (b) the volumes at c and d. (The rest of the problem...)

Homework Equations


PVy = Constant

The Attempt at a Solution


I already solved part (a), with Pa = 4.1 x 105 Pa and Pb = 2.1 x 105 Pa.

For part (b), I tried
PVy = constant
nRT⋅Vy-1 = constant.

Annnnd then I get lost. I don't understand what constant represents or if I am even on the right track. The book says Vc = 34 L and Vd = 17 L.
 
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What do the points a, b, c, and d represent in the Carnot cycle? You didn't post the figure.
 
My apologies, here is the figure:

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Points a, b, c, and d represent stages of the Carnot engine as it works.
 
For an adiabatic process, you have ##PV^\gamma = \text{constant}##. Since points b and c are on the same adiabat, you can say that ##P_b V_b^\gamma = P_c V_c^\gamma##.

If it still seems confusing, consider the analogous situation for an isothermal process. The righthand side of the ideal gas law, ##PV = nRT##, is constant for an isothermal process. In other words, on an isotherm, we have that ##PV = \text{constant}##. Points a and b are on the same isotherm, so you can say ##P_a V_a = P_b V_b##, which should look very familiar to you.
 

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