Vortex shedding is mandatory for all the bluff bodies ?

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The discussion centers on the phenomenon of vortex shedding in relation to bluff bodies, questioning whether it is a mandatory occurrence for all such shapes. Participants explore specific examples, conditions, and the influence of fluid dynamics on vortex behavior.

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  • One participant questions whether vortex shedding is mandatory for all bluff bodies, providing examples such as flow over a flat plate and a dish antenna.
  • Another participant argues that not all bluff bodies undergo vortex shedding, noting that it depends on separation dynamics influenced by shape and flow conditions, citing Stokes flow as an example where a sphere or cylinder may not shed vortices at low Reynolds numbers.
  • A third participant comments on the use of the term 'mandatory,' suggesting that vortex formation is a result of friction in real fluids rather than a dictated phenomenon.
  • A participant expresses interest in studying air loads on structures using water in a wind tunnel, inquiring about the effects of gravity on load and vortex shedding, while matching Reynolds and Strouhal numbers.
  • Another participant confirms that buoyancy, which is gravity-driven, can affect forces on submerged objects, noting its significance in water compared to air.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether vortex shedding is mandatory for all bluff bodies, with some arguing that it is conditional based on specific factors. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the general applicability of vortex shedding across different shapes and conditions.

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Participants highlight the dependence of vortex shedding on factors such as Reynolds number, shape, flow conditions, and the influence of gravity in fluid dynamics, indicating that assumptions about these variables may affect conclusions.

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Vortex shedding is mandatory for all the bluff bodies ??

Vortex shedding is mandatory for all the bluff bodies ??

for example, flow over a low thickness flat plate with zero attach angle and flow over the very low depth dish antenna (like U shape)

is there any shape (with particular conditions) is exempt from shedding... ?
 
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I don't think many people would consider a flat plate a bluff body. At any rate, not all bluff bodies undergo vortex shedding. It will depend on the separation dynamics, which depends on the shape and the flow around the body. Take, for example, Stokes flow. You can have a sphere or a cylinder, two bodies noted for their shedding behavior, and if the Reynolds number is tiny, you have no shedding. On the other hand, you could have an airfoil shape that normally has no shedding but when it gets to a high enough angle of attack, the flow over the upper half separates and vortex shedding occurs.
 
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The term 'mandatory' suggests that vortex shedding has been decreed by some agency.

Vortices are formed because real fluids (air, water, etc.) are affected by friction when flowing over a body.
 
Thanks for quick reply !...One more ...i would like to study air load on structure .. But i am going to use water as a medium in wind tunnel experiment. I am matching with Re and St numbers . Now will gravity affect the solution (thermal effects are negligible) in terms of load on structure and vortex shedding? if so what we need to be done in this case?
 
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Well in the sense that buoyancy is gravity-driven, then yes. If you are studying forces on something submerged in any fluid, buoyancy exists. In air it is usually negligible. In water it is often important.
 

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