Water + Water Vapor - Can I use ideal gas law?

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The discussion centers on the application of the ideal gas law to a sealed container containing 200 kg of water and water vapor at varying temperatures and pressures. The participants conclude that the ideal gas law cannot be applied due to the non-ideal behavior of water vapor, particularly in a saturated state. Instead, they emphasize the importance of using the Pressure vs. Temperature curve for phase transitions to determine the pressure at which the safety valve should open, especially as the temperature increases from 25 degrees C to 150 degrees C.

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  • Understanding of the ideal gas law (PV = mRT)
  • Knowledge of phase transitions and saturation states of water
  • Familiarity with specific heat capacities (Cp and Cv) of water and steam
  • Ability to interpret Pressure vs. Temperature curves for water vapor
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  • Research the Pressure vs. Temperature curve for water vapor saturation
  • Study the differences between ideal gases and real gases, particularly for water vapor
  • Learn about the thermodynamic properties of saturated water and steam
  • Explore energy calculations for heating water using specific heat formulas
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Homework Statement



Sealed container which is used to heat 200 kg water is initially at 25 degrees C. Since the container is sealed, the water remains in saturated state while its temperature and pressure increases. The remaining volume of the container is filled with water vapor at the same temperature and pressure. There is a pressure safety valve on the container.

a) If the max allowed water temperature is 150 degrees C, at what pressure should the safety value open?
b) How much energy is needed to increase temperature of water from 25 degrees C to 150 degrees C? You can neglect mass of water vapor and assume closed system containing only 200 kg of water.


Homework Equations



PV = mRT where m = R/M (M = molar mass).

The Attempt at a Solution



I cannot find a definitive source which will confirm that I can use the ideal gas law on this problem. In addition, water vapor and water have different specific heats at a constant pressure and I must account for the total pressure within the system.

Do I need to split the system into two separate parts and calculate the pressure in each individual part as the temperature is raised? This doesn't seem logical to me -- the pressure valve needs to be set based on what the total pressure of the system will be...

Any advice? Just not sure how to attack this guy.
 
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No, there is a Pressure vs. Temperature curve for the phase transition liquid - gas. This is the relation you need.
 
Dickfore said:
No, there is a Pressure vs. Temperature curve for the phase transition liquid - gas. This is the relation you need.

The problem note that the water remains in a saturated state. I would assume this indicates it does not become a gas, is this correct?
 
Saturated vapor is vapor in equilibrium with the liquid phase underneath it. It has the same pressure and temperature.
 
Is it possible for the ideal gas law to be used in any way for this problem? I am simply surprised, because the core of the chapter which contains this problem discusses the ideal gas law and the book's tables provide Cp and Cv for both saturated water/steam in both liquid and vapor forms.

My own notes mention that the professor noted that water vapor is NOT an ideal gas, so I guess the book does not have a solid explanation of how to solve this problem.
 

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