Wave Equation and Energy Conservation for a Stretched String

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The problem involves a stretched string with fixed ends and a mass attached at a point along the string. Participants are discussing boundary conditions for transverse displacement and energy conservation in the context of wave equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to establish boundary conditions for the displacement at fixed ends and the point where the mass is attached. There is uncertainty about the nature of the function describing the displacement at that point. Questions are raised about the implications of these conditions on the behavior of the string and the energy of the system.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of boundary conditions and their effects on the system. Some guidance has been provided regarding the nature of the displacement function and its relationship to the string's behavior at the point of attachment.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of their assumptions about boundary conditions and the nature of partial differentiation in the context of energy calculations. There is a noted confusion regarding the differentiation of energy terms and the potential need for further clarification on these concepts.

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Homework Statement



The ends (x=0,x=L) of a stretched string are fixed, the string is loaded by a particle with mas M at the point p (0<p<L).

1. What are the conditions that the transverse displacement y must satisfy at x=0, x=p and x=L?
2. Show that the energy of the system is E(t) = (1/2) [tex]\int_0^\L[/tex](T[yx(x,t)]2 + [tex]\rho[/tex][yt(x,t)]2) dx + (1/2)M[yt(p,t)]2
3. Deduce, using the wave equation and the boundary conditions, that dE/dt = 0 so the energy is constant.

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The Attempt at a Solution



1. I think y(0,t) = y(L,t) = 0 and y(p,t) = f(t) but I'm not too sure.

2. I think I have done this by considering the energy of the string and that of the mass separately.

3. This is where I'm really struggling. If I have the correct boundary conditions for x=0 and x=L we have worked through an example in lectures where the integral comes out to be 0 using Leibniz. However, a hint to answering this question is to break the integral into two, integrating between 0 and p, then p and L, so I think it can't be 0 as we must need a term to cancel out with the final term of the energy when differentiated. So, I think my boundary conditions may be incorrect.

Also, I think I have got a bit confused about partial differentiation. When I differentiate (1/2)M[yt(p,t)]2 do I get Myt(p,t)ytt(p,t)?

Thanks :)
 
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Kate2010 said:

The Attempt at a Solution



1. I think y(0,t) = y(L,t) = 0 and y(p,t) = f(t) but I'm not too sure.
What's f(t)?

I think when you hang a mass on the string at x=p, you get a kink in the string or something like that. Try figuring out some condition describing a discontinuity in [itex]\partial y/\partial x[/itex] at x=p.
 
Kate2010 said:
Also, I think I have got a bit confused about partial differentiation. When I differentiate (1/2)M[yt(p,t)]2 do I get Myt(p,t)ytt(p,t)?
Yup!
 
I just meant to mean f(t) to be some function that depended only on time as I couldn't think of anything more specific than that. However, I will have another think tomorrow about how I could use the boundary condition to describe a discontinuity in the string.
 

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