Wave equation and odd extension with constant IC

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The discussion revolves around solving the wave equation U_xx=U_tt with constant initial conditions and Dirichlet boundary conditions. The initial conditions specify U(x,0)=1 for the interval 5

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of odd extensions to address boundary conditions and the application of the d'Alembert solution. Questions arise regarding the nature of the initial conditions and their representation as functions of time. Some participants express confusion about the behavior of the wave at the origin and the implications of constant initial conditions.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning each other's interpretations and assumptions. Some guidance is offered regarding the representation of initial conditions, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or understanding of the problem.

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Participants note the complexity of representing the initial conditions as functions of time and the potential implications of treating them as piecewise functions. There is an ongoing exploration of the nature of the initial displacement and its effects on the wave behavior.

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Solve U_xx=U_tt with c=1.
Dirchlet boundary conditions
U(x,0)=1 for 5<x<7
U(x,0)=0 for everywhere else
U_t(x,0)=0

I know that by taken an odd extension I can get rid of the boundary condition and then solve the initial value problem using the d'alembert solution and only care for x>0 Graphically I know it will be square wave that break off in opposite directions and has amplitude of 1/2. At the origin the square wave will die while on the other side it will go on forever. What is tripping me up are the constant initial conditions. When I plug them in I get for x>t U(x,t)=1 and for t>x I get 0. This doesn't sound right to me. Any help will be appreciated.
 
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xdrgnh said:
Solve U_xx=U_tt with c=1.
Dirchlet boundary conditions
U(x,0)=1 for 5<x<7
U(x,0)=0 for everywhere else
U_t(x,0)=0

I know that by taken an odd extension I can get rid of the boundary condition and then solve the initial value problem using the d'alembert solution and only care for x>0 Graphically I know it will be square wave that break off in opposite directions and has amplitude of 1/2. At the origin the square wave will die while on the other side it will go on forever.

Are you sure about it dying at the origin? Won't it reflect back?

What is tripping me up are the constant initial conditions. When I plug them in I get for x>t U(x,t)=1 and for t>x I get 0. This doesn't sound right to me. Any help will be appreciated.

I'm not sure what you are saying here. The initial displacement isn't a constant. Have you neglected to tell us about a boundary condition such as ##u(0,t)=0##?
 
The initial displacement for at time =0 is 1 between x=5 and x=7. well I'm doing an odd extension so their is wave of equal amplitude but opposite direction on the x=-5 and x=-7 side and when they meet at x=0 they cancel each other keeping the boundary condition U(0,t) zero.
 
xdrgnh said:
The initial displacement for at time =0 is 1 between x=5 and x=7. well I'm doing an odd extension so their is wave of equal amplitude but opposite direction on the x=-5 and x=-7 side and when they meet at x=0 they cancel each other keeping the boundary condition U(0,t) zero.

That's true as they pass at the origin. But you are imagining an infinite string and that wave from the left keeps going to the right after it passes through the origin.
 
Okay But What About The Initial Condition. They Are Constants Not Function Of X. How Do I Represent Them At A Function Of Time,? Sorry For Caps My Phone Is Weird.
 
xdrgnh said:
Okay But What About The Initial Condition. They Are Constants Not Function Of X. How Do I Represent Them At A Function Of Time,? Sorry For Caps My Phone Is Weird.

##u(x,0) = 1,~5<x<7## and ##0## elsewhere is not a constant function. For example, it is ##1## when ##x=6## and ##0## when ##x=4##. Its value depends on ##x##.
 
So A Step Function?
 
No, it isn't a step function. It is a simple function which is a linear combination of step functions. What difference does it make what you call it? Call it ##f(x)## if you want to. I don't understand what your real question is here.
 
So for my solution I can just represent f(x) as a piecewise function and then using the d'alembert get .5f(x+t) in one direction and .5f(x-t) in the other direction?
 
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xdrgnh said:
So for my solution I can just represent f(x) as a piecewise function and then using the d'alembert get .5f(x+t) in one direction and .5f(x-t) in the other direction?

Yes. Or if you have been using the standard unit step function ##u(x)## in your class, you could express your ##f(x)## in terms of it.
 

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