Wave Frequency Change: Why Does Velocity Not Increase?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the phenomenon of wave frequency change when a wave source moves towards a stationary observer, specifically questioning why the velocity of the emitted waves remains constant despite the change in observed frequency. The scope includes conceptual understanding of wave behavior and the relationship between wave speed, frequency, and wavelength.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the observed frequency increases due to a decrease in wavelength as the source moves towards the observer, leading to more waves being crowded into the space between them.
  • Another participant asserts that the speed of the wave is determined by the properties of the medium, not the motion of the source.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that once sound waves are emitted, they travel at a constant speed independent of the source, and the source's motion only affects the spacing of the waves, resulting in a perceived change in frequency.
  • Another participant elaborates that the velocity of a wave is dictated by the medium, using the example of sound in air to explain how particle interactions determine wave speed, regardless of the source's velocity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the principle that the speed of the wave is determined by the medium, but there is some debate regarding the implications of the source's motion on frequency and wavelength. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the deeper implications of these relationships.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the nuances of how different factors interact, such as the specific conditions under which these principles apply or the potential for varying interpretations of wave behavior in different contexts.

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So in the case where the wave source is moving towards a stationary observer, the observer will observe a frequency f' where f'=f(v/(v-vs))

f= frequency of wave
v=velocity of wave
vs=velocity of source moving towards observer

I understand that the increase in observed frequency is caused because the wavelength of the wave is shortened since the source is moving toward the observer. In other words, more waves can be crowded into the area between the source and observer than if the the source was at rest.

My question is this, why does the velocity of the waves emitted not change when the source is moving? Why does the observed frequency increase as a result of decreased wavelength and not as a result of increased velocity?

Please tell me if my question is not clear so I can rephrase.
 
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The short answer to your question is that speed of the wave is function of the properties of the medium and not the source.
 
The way I think of it is that once the sound waves are emitted and leave the source, they are completely independent of their source and have their own constant speed that they would otherwise have no matter what the source is doing. Then when the source moves toward that wave, it catches up to it somewhat and emitts another wave which is also that same constant speed but is now a little closer to the previous ones so it's artificially like a different frequency but all those waves are still at the same constant speed.
 
The velocity of a wave is only determined by the median in which it travels.
Sound in air for example: The tiny particles of air take time to each slam into each other transfering their energy to the next(a compressional wave) to travel a distance. It doesn't matter how fast whatever object was that made the disturbance in the air. The particles of the median will only bounce into the next particle at a certain speed. It's kind of like the reaction time of the median(in this case the air).

The wavelength gets smaller when you make a disturbance really close to the next one. When you are moving with a velocity and say you clap your hands, the sound wave will travel the speed of sound. When you clap your hands a second time, the second sound wave will be closer than the last one because you were moving closer than the speed of sound than if you were just standing still or going in the opposite direction, thus a higher frequency.
 
Thanks for your replies. This is clearing things up.
 
Thanks for your replies. This is clearing things up.
 

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