Wave function homework Problem 2.1 in Griffiths' book

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The discussion revolves around questions related to wave functions as presented in Problem 2.1 of Griffiths' textbook, specifically focusing on the properties of the wave function, its real or complex nature, and the implications of linear combinations of solutions in the context of the time-independent Schrödinger equation.

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  • Participants raise questions about the nature of the wave function, specifically whether it can be real or complex, and the requirement for solutions in a linear combination to share the same energy. There is also inquiry into the meaning of specific terminology used in the text.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the distinction between different notations for wave functions and the context in which they are used, as well as the relevance of the expectation value in relation to the wave function's properties.

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In the (b),I have some questions:
(1) Does it mean ψ can be real or not real?
(2) Why do the solutions of linear combination must have the same energy? As I know, these solutions are often different, as long as they are eigenvalues of time-independent Schrödinger equation.
(3) In the sentence "...as well stick to ψ's that are real", what does "that" denote?
 
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Hi,

Your question falls out of the blue for someone who doesn't have Griffiths at hand. Provide some more context (not by attaching pages upon pages of pictures, but in a few words -- that helps you to understand the question as well).

This section is an introduction to the time independent Schroedinger equation (separation of variables ##\bf x## and ##t## in math lingo)

Apparently (a) is no problem for you.
(1) For (b) you ask what he says in the note ? When you type ψ no one knows if you mean his ##\Psi## or his ##\it \psi##. What is it specifically that isn't clear ?
(2) that's not what it says. But if you express a solution with a given energy as a linear combination of other solutions, those better have the same energy !
(3) you can also read "stick to real ##\it \psi##"
so there is no reason to ask what "that" stands for any more :smile: . perhaps you want to rephrase ?
 
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BvU said:
Hi,

Your question falls out of the blue for someone who doesn't have Griffiths at hand. Provide some more context (not by attaching pages upon pages of pictures, but in a few words -- that helps you to understand the question as well).

This section is an introduction to the time independent Schroedinger equation (separation of variables ##\bf x## and ##t## in math lingo)

Apparently (a) is no problem for you.
(1) For (b) you ask what he says in the note ? When you type ψ no one knows if you mean his ##\Psi## or his ##\it \psi##. What is it specifically that isn't clear ?
(2) that's not what it says. But if you express a solution with a given energy as a linear combination of other solutions, those better have the same energy !
(3) you can also read "stick to real ##\it \psi##"
so there is no reason to ask what "that" stands for any more :smile: . perhaps you want to rephrase ?

Thank you for pointing out my improper way to describe my question and answering my question.
 
All in good spirit. You think you have it figured out now ?
 
No, I am thinking. Maybe tomorrow.
 
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Tspirit said:
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In the (b),I have some questions:
(1) Does it mean ψ can be real or not real?
(2) Why do the solutions of linear combination must have the same energy? As I know, these solutions are often different, as long as they are eigenvalues of time-independent Schrödinger equation.
(3) In the sentence "...as well stick to ψ's that are real", what does "that" denote?

It is important to remember the two main purposes of ## \Psi ## and ## \psi ##: ## \Psi ## is defined to be complex by equation 2.14 as you have posted. I am sure Griffiths at some point has explained the concept of an expectation value where, when normalized, $$\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} |\Psi(x,t)|^{2}dx = 1$$
The absolute value eliminates the complex nature of the wave function. Additionally, ## \psi ## is an eigenfunction which, when an operator is applied, produces an eigenvalue, in this case the energy. In his hint, he states that ## \psi ## and ## \psi^{*} ## both result in the same eigenvalue (energy), so he is saying you might as well make ## \psi ## real. Griffiths has a very comprehensive appendix on linear algebra that may prove helpful to read (if you continue into chapter 3, I would highly recommend reading the appendix).
 
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