Wavelenght associated with electron

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The discussion revolves around calculating the wavelength associated with an electron given its mass and kinetic energy, specifically 1 mega electron volt. The problem involves concepts from quantum mechanics and classical mechanics, particularly the de Broglie wavelength and kinetic energy equations.

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  • Participants discuss using kinetic energy equations to find the velocity of the electron and subsequently its wavelength. There is a suggestion to convert energy units for calculations. Some participants express concern about applying classical mechanics due to potential contradictions with relativistic principles.

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Participants are exploring different approaches to the problem, with some emphasizing the need for relativistic equations due to the high kinetic energy involved. There is recognition of the need to clarify whether classical mechanics or relativistic mechanics should be applied, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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There is a debate about the appropriateness of using classical mechanics in this context, given the energy levels involved. Some participants note that the educational context may dictate the methods expected to be used.

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1.given mass of electron = 9.11*10^-31 ... kinetic energy=1mega electron volt



2. Homework Equations :: k.e=1/2mv^2 and λ=h/mv



3. The Attempt at a Solution :: am unable to get it...can anyone ry...
 
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mounica reddy said:
1.given mass of electron = 9.11*10^-31 ... kinetic energy=1mega electron volt



2. Homework Equations :: k.e=1/2mv^2 and λ=h/mv



3. The Attempt at a Solution :: am unable to get it...can anyone ry...


You have KE and also expression for it
So you can find v?
and then mv

PS: for energy conversion use: 1eV = e J (e=1.6*10-19)
 
Big caution here: if you use classical mechanics to compute the velocity of the electron, you get v > c. This is not correct.

I'm afraid that here, you have to use the relativistic formulae ([itex]\Delta{E} = \Delta{m}c^2[/itex] and [itex]m = \frac{m_0}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}}[/itex]) to get the answer. You can't use [itex]E_k = \frac{1}{2}mv^2[/itex].
 
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Curious3141 said:
Big caution here: if you use classical mechanics to compute the velocity of the electron, you get v > c. This is not correct.

I'm afraid that here, you have to use the relativistic formulae ([itex]\Delta{E} = \Delta{m}c^2[/itex] and [itex]m = \frac{m_0}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}}[/itex]) to get the answer. You can't use [itex]E_k = \frac{1}{2}mv^2[/itex].

Nice catch, i missed that. But its use depends on the level of question ... in basic physics, relativity eqns are usually not used ... Let the OP decide weather he is supposed to use them or not
 
cupid.callin said:
Nice catch, i missed that. But its use depends on the level of question ... in basic physics, relativity eqns are usually not used ... Let the OP decide weather he is supposed to use them or not

I suppose, but frankly, if the student is expected to understand and apply the de Broglie equation, he/she should be expected to discern when SR should be used rather than Classical Mechanics.
 
cupid.callin said:
... in basic physics, relativity eqns are usually not used ...
Usually true, unless the class is learning introductory relativity.

If this is to be solved without relativity, it is the responsibility of the teacher or professor to keep energies and speeds in the nonrelativistic regime. This teacher didn't do that, so the correct way to solve this is to consider relativity.
 

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