Weighing an Object in Water: Does the Bouyant Force Matter?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of buoyant force on the weight of an object placed on a weighing machine at the bottom of a swimming pool. Participants explore the implications of buoyancy for objects with varying densities and the conditions under which buoyant forces act.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a heavy box placed on a scale at the bottom of a pool would weigh less than on land, expressing confusion about the buoyant force acting on the box if its lower surface is in contact with the pool's surface.
  • Another participant asserts that buoyancy affects the entire object, not just the lower side, suggesting that a light object like a rubber cube would not float if placed on the scale.
  • A participant clarifies that if a heavy box is in complete contact with the scale, upward buoyant force would not act, as there would be no exposed area at the bottom for the force to exert pressure.
  • One response indicates that sealing the bottom surface of the box to the scale would be necessary to eliminate the buoyant force entirely.
  • Another participant describes a related experiment involving air pressure and a newspaper to illustrate the concept of upward forces acting on an object.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which buoyant forces act and how they affect the weight measured by the scale. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific scenarios and implications of buoyancy.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various assumptions about the contact between the object and the scale, as well as the nature of buoyant forces in different configurations. The discussion does not reach a consensus on these points.

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if i place a weighing machine at the bottom of the swimming pool and then put a box on it whose density is greater than the iquid , then will it weigh more or less , as compared to on the land ?
i think that it will weigh less , but if its lower surface is in contact with the surface of the swimming pool then how can it experience the buoyant force??
this is troubling me , please help! :confused:
 
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Are you suggesting that if you placed a very light, say rubber, cube on the bottom of the swimming pool it would not float? Bouyancy affects the entire object, not just its lower side.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Are you suggesting that if you placed a very light, say rubber, cube on the bottom of the swimming pool it would not float? Bouyancy affects the entire object, not just its lower side.

no , i mean that if we put a very heavy box which rests compleatly on the weighing machine so that there is no exposed area at the bottomof the box where the force due to upward pressure could be exerted , sure the pressure will be exerted from the top , which will cause the weight to increase , the side forces will cancel , but there will be no way for upword buoyant force to act !
 
You would need to actually seal the bottom surface to the scale (and the scale would need to be sealed) to eliminate the buoyant force.
 
If the object had a perfectly flat bottom, with perfect contact with the floor of the tank and vertical sides then there would be no upward vertical forces on it. The weight would measure as the object's weight plus the weight of water on top.

There is a simple experiment to show the same effect, this time with air. Lay a newspaper, spread out, on a table with a ruler half under the paper. Then try to lift the ruler quickly. The excess pressure above will temporarily resist you forcibly - until some air leaks in underneath the paper.
 
thank you everyone ! this forum rocks! :)
 
Yes it certainly does and, d'you know another great thing about it? Hardly anybody ever whinges or gets too upset. I've followed some forums which are full of fanciful weeds who don't want to know about real Science at all but they sob sob when that's pointed out.
We're well mature innit.
 

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