Weight limits when splitting the weight between two points

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the weight limits and tension considerations when using neodymium magnets to suspend a hammock rated for 400 lbs from two steel posts. Participants explore the implications of angles and tension in relation to the hammock's setup, as well as the practicality of using magnets versus other support methods.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether two magnets rated at 400 lbs each are necessary for suspending the hammock.
  • Another participant notes that tension will increase significantly depending on the angle at the attachment point.
  • It is suggested that the hammock cannot be perfectly straight, as this would not provide any upward force.
  • A participant explains that when the hammock rope hangs vertically, the tension at each support is half the weight, but as the angle approaches horizontal, the tension increases dramatically.
  • One participant provides a formula for calculating tension based on the angle below horizontal, indicating that even small angles can lead to very high tension values.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of using neodymium magnets, with suggestions that carabiners might be a more cost-effective and easier solution.
  • A participant shares their constraints regarding structural modifications in their storage unit, explaining their choice of magnets for support.
  • Another participant warns about the potential difficulty of removing strong magnets after use, suggesting that they may need to support a weight significantly greater than the hammock's rated capacity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and practicality of using neodymium magnets for suspending the hammock, as well as the implications of tension and angles involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to safely support the hammock.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexities of tension calculations and the limitations of using magnets without structural modifications. The discussion includes assumptions about the angles and the nature of the hammock's sagging under weight.

Joseph Moore
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I have a hammock that is rated to 400 lbs.

I want to use two neodymium magnets to
suspend the hammock from two steel posts.

Do I need two magnets rated 400 lbs each?
 
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The tension is going to be several times larger.
Consider the angle at the attachment point.
 
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Ideally the hammock is stretched at almost 180 degrees between the two points.
I suppose the question should have been what weight do I need?
 
Joseph Moore said:
Ideally the hammock is stretched at almost 180 degrees between the two points.
I suppose the question should have been what weight do I need?

When the hammock rope is hanging vertically the tension at each support is half the weight of the hammock.
When the hammock rope goes towards horizontal the tension at each support goes towards infinity.

So in reality, no rope can ever hang horizontally, they form a catenary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catenary
(of course in many cases it's close enough to horizontal for many uses - eg a string line used in constructing houses)

The tension at each support can be found via
T= W / 2sinθ
where θ is the angle below horizontal (ie vertical rope = 90o, horizontal rope = 0o )
eg for 5 degrees:
T = 400lb / 2*sin5 = 2,300lb

IME of hammocks 5 degrees probably wouldn't be very comfortable.

Why magnets anyway? Something like a carabiner would be much cheaper and easier to use (I'm assuming you're doing it for quick release).
 
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I have a storage unit in which I can make no structural modifications. I can not drill into the steel beams. I remembered that neodymium magnets could hold incredible weights and thought I could run an eye hook thru a disk magnet.

What I meant by 180 degrees, when I hang the hammock between two trees, empty I tie it as tight as I can, then when I add weight it sags, yes.
 
Joseph Moore said:
I have a storage unit in which I can make no structural modifications. I can not drill into the steel beams. I remembered that neodymium magnets could hold incredible weights and thought I could run an eye hook thru a disk magnet.
What I meant by 180 degrees, when I hang the hammock between two trees, empty I tie it as tight as I can, then when I add weight it sags, yes.
Novel and worth having a go. Of course, if your magnet is strong enough to support your hammock, you might have a real problem prising it off the cabinet, once you have finished with the hammock. Would you want to leave the (expensive) magnet behind? I say 'expensive' because it would need to hold (without slipping) many times your own weight. That could be 50kN, if the sag is to be limited. I found this.
 

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