Weight transfer due to drive torque

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the phenomenon of weight transfer in vehicles due to drive torque, particularly focusing on how torque from the driveshaft affects axle rotation and subsequently causes lateral weight transfer. Participants explain that as a high torque engine rotates counter-clockwise, it induces a twisting effect on the chassis, resulting in one side of the vehicle lifting during acceleration. This effect is particularly pronounced in vehicles with solid rear axles, as opposed to those with independent rear suspensions, which do not exhibit the same torque-induced weight transfer.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of basic automotive mechanics
  • Familiarity with torque and its effects on vehicle dynamics
  • Knowledge of differential gear systems
  • Concept of weight transfer in vehicles during acceleration
NEXT STEPS
  • Research the mechanics of solid rear axles versus independent rear suspensions
  • Study the effects of torque on vehicle stability and handling
  • Explore the design and function of differentials in automotive engineering
  • Learn about the physics of weight transfer during acceleration and braking
USEFUL FOR

Automotive engineers, mechanics, racing enthusiasts, and anyone interested in understanding vehicle dynamics and performance optimization.

  • #31
as usual XXXchris XX you are spot on..it still twists but the independent rear suspension permits the torque to be BETTER transmitted to the pavement. there is still lateral and longintudenal twist going on though not so readily apparent. The independent swing arms " flex" to better accommodate the weight transfer where as the solid differential can not conform to varying weight transfer AS WELL and hence the wheelie and tork twist.

r power - most solid rear differentials have different length axles. the right side being shorter
then the left side. independent diffs have CV joints and same length axles and the diff is mounted at vehicle center line.
 
Last edited:
Engineering news on Phys.org
  • #32
so i guess it is this difference of axle lengths with which axle rotates
 
  • #33
maybe this will help
 

Attachments

  • dif 1.jpg
    dif 1.jpg
    25.3 KB · Views: 396
  • ind dif.jpg
    ind dif.jpg
    45.9 KB · Views: 410
  • #34
I didn't understand the 2nd one
 
  • #35
still i don't get a solid reason why axle twists
 
  • #36
Because there is a twisting motion input to it along the propshaft.

The diff doesn't transfer ALL the twisting motion to the wheels. The point where the propshaft connects to the diff acts as a pivot.

It's that simple.
 
Last edited:
  • #37
R Power said:
still i don't get a solid reason why axle twists

Find a rigid object in your house that has a "T" shape to it. A T-Handle tool might be a quick find if you have one (If you don't, just try and follow this conceptually). Grab the object by the leg of the "T" and spin it along the axis of the leg. The top of the "T" will twist. This is pretty similar to typical live axle. The difference is that under no load (wheels off the ground), the torque gets transferred out through the drive wheels. But if you were to lock the drive wheels (perhaps using the parking brake; assume the parking brake can hold any torque the motor can provide), torque can no longer transfer out as it can no longer spin the wheels. At this point, the system will act just like that "T" shaped object and spin about the axis of the leg. These two scenarios describe what happens when the resistance to acceleration of the drivewheels are at 0 and infinity. What you see when a car twists like that is somewhere in between. Since the drivewheels aren't locked in place, torque from the driveshaft is transmitted to the wheels. But since there is resistance to forward motion of the vehicle, there will be resistance that tries to prevent the drivewheels from turning. When more torque is applied, there will be more resistance. So as more torque is applied, the results begin to appraoch that of that "T" handled tool and tries to spin the ends of the "T" around the axis of its leg.
 
  • #38
It's a simple matter of "for every action is an equal but opposite reaction". If the engine twists the drive shaft, the drive shaft will twist the engine just as strongly, but in the opposite direction. This in turn makes the whole car twist, which in turn presses one side harder into the ground than the other, which we see as weight transfer.

This effect can be seen in anything that spins.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
3K
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 58 ·
2
Replies
58
Views
8K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
5K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
8K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K