Weight transfer due to drive torque

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concept of weight transfer in vehicles due to drive torque, specifically exploring how torque from the driveshaft affects the axle and results in lateral weight transfer during acceleration. Participants delve into the mechanics behind this phenomenon, including the role of engine rotation and differential action.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that weight transfer can occur due to drive torque from the driveshaft to the axle, causing the axle to rotate slightly.
  • One participant provides an example of significant weight transfer due to drive torque and acceleration, referencing a visual representation.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for a free body diagram to clarify the forces and moments acting on a car during acceleration.
  • There is a distinction made between longitudinal and lateral weight transfer, with some participants seeking clarification on lateral weight transfer specifically.
  • One participant describes how the firing order of an American V8 engine contributes to torque-induced lifting on one side of the vehicle.
  • Concerns are raised about the physical effects of torque on vehicle components, including potential failures of motor mounts and other parts due to excessive twisting.
  • Participants share personal anecdotes related to vehicle performance and the effects of torque during acceleration.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the physics behind the observed lateral weight transfer and seek further explanation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that drive torque affects weight transfer, but there is no consensus on the specifics of how lateral weight transfer occurs or the underlying physics. Multiple competing views and explanations are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the mechanics involved, particularly regarding the relationship between torque and lateral weight transfer. There are references to specific vehicle designs and experiences that may not apply universally.

  • #31
as usual XXXchris XX you are spot on..it still twists but the independent rear suspension permits the torque to be BETTER transmitted to the pavement. there is still lateral and longintudenal twist going on though not so readily apparent. The independent swing arms " flex" to better accommodate the weight transfer where as the solid differential can not conform to varying weight transfer AS WELL and hence the wheelie and tork twist.

r power - most solid rear differentials have different length axles. the right side being shorter
then the left side. independent diffs have CV joints and same length axles and the diff is mounted at vehicle center line.
 
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  • #32
so i guess it is this difference of axle lengths with which axle rotates
 
  • #33
maybe this will help
 

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  • #34
I didn't understand the 2nd one
 
  • #35
still i don't get a solid reason why axle twists
 
  • #36
Because there is a twisting motion input to it along the propshaft.

The diff doesn't transfer ALL the twisting motion to the wheels. The point where the propshaft connects to the diff acts as a pivot.

It's that simple.
 
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  • #37
R Power said:
still i don't get a solid reason why axle twists

Find a rigid object in your house that has a "T" shape to it. A T-Handle tool might be a quick find if you have one (If you don't, just try and follow this conceptually). Grab the object by the leg of the "T" and spin it along the axis of the leg. The top of the "T" will twist. This is pretty similar to typical live axle. The difference is that under no load (wheels off the ground), the torque gets transferred out through the drive wheels. But if you were to lock the drive wheels (perhaps using the parking brake; assume the parking brake can hold any torque the motor can provide), torque can no longer transfer out as it can no longer spin the wheels. At this point, the system will act just like that "T" shaped object and spin about the axis of the leg. These two scenarios describe what happens when the resistance to acceleration of the drivewheels are at 0 and infinity. What you see when a car twists like that is somewhere in between. Since the drivewheels aren't locked in place, torque from the driveshaft is transmitted to the wheels. But since there is resistance to forward motion of the vehicle, there will be resistance that tries to prevent the drivewheels from turning. When more torque is applied, there will be more resistance. So as more torque is applied, the results begin to appraoch that of that "T" handled tool and tries to spin the ends of the "T" around the axis of its leg.
 
  • #38
It's a simple matter of "for every action is an equal but opposite reaction". If the engine twists the drive shaft, the drive shaft will twist the engine just as strongly, but in the opposite direction. This in turn makes the whole car twist, which in turn presses one side harder into the ground than the other, which we see as weight transfer.

This effect can be seen in anything that spins.
 

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