Weird Issue with the Chain Rule

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the chain rule in the context of a smooth function \( f \) and a dynamical system flow \( \phi^p \) on a smooth manifold. The original poster is trying to understand a specific derivative expression and its validity.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the chain rule but questions the validity of a specific equation involving derivatives and the function \( f \). Some participants question whether \( f \) has a specific form, while others note the lack of an argument in the original expression. There is also a discussion about the implications of \( \phi^p \) being a flow and its relationship to the smoothness of \( f \).

Discussion Status

The conversation is exploring various interpretations of the notation and the assumptions involved in the problem. Some participants have offered insights regarding the nature of the flow and the smoothness of the functions, while others are still seeking clarity on the notation used.

Contextual Notes

Participants have noted that the definition of flows and the context of smooth functions on a manifold may be relevant to understanding the problem. There is an acknowledgment of potential ambiguities in the notation that could affect interpretation.

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Homework Statement



I'm working on a quick problem regarding a presentation that I'm giving, but I've come across an issue that I can't seem to resolve. Namely

\displaystyle \left. \frac{d}{dt} \right|_{t=0} f(\phi^p (t+t_0) ) = \left( \phi^p \right) ^\prime (t_0) f

Does anybody see how this is true?

The Attempt at a Solution



\displaystyle \left. \frac{d}{dt} \right|_{t=0} f(\phi^p (t+t_0) ) = f^\prime(\phi^p(t_0)) \left(\phi^p \right)^\prime (t_0)

All we know about f is that it is a smooth function and t_0 was arbitrarily chosen, so I'm not seeing where we make the jump. (Note: \phi^p(t) is a dynamical system flow on a smooth manifold, but I don't see how that should help)
 
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Is f some form of exponential, so f'(x)=f(x)?
 
All we know is that f is a smooth function on the manifold.
 
That first equation looks incomplete to me. There is no argument to f.
 
f is defined as a function on the manifold so the argument is generally omitted; otherwise, we would need to introduce an atlas on the manifold and define a local coordinate system using a coordinate chart. I don't think it's really necessary to the argument. Furthermore, (\phi^p)^\prime is a locally defined vector field, and \phi^p being a flow would imply that vector field is smooth. Thus it acts as an operator on f, in which case the argument for f is again not necessary.
 
I think the answer was staring me in the face the whole time.

I probably should have defined flows, it would've made this a bit more obvious.

The flow maps the Cartesian product of a monoid and a manifold to a manifold. But \frac{d}{dt} is a derivative that holds only with respect to the monoid. The way that that is written isn't implying that \phi^ is in the argument of f, it's implying that this is indeed the product of two smooth functions, one of which is completely independent of t!

I think that must be the answer, but I really blame horrible and ambiguous notation...
 

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