Weird looking version of angular velocity

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The discussion revolves around the concept of angular velocity, specifically exploring different formulations and interpretations of the term. Participants examine the traditional definition of angular velocity in relation to radius and rate of change of angle, while also considering an alternative expression involving normal vectors and their rates of change over time.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that angular velocity is commonly defined as the product of radius and the rate of change of angle over time.
  • Another participant corrects the first by asserting that angular velocity is more accurately described as the rate of change of angle over time.
  • A participant introduces an alternative formulation of angular velocity as the normal vector multiplied by the rate of change of the normal vector over time, seeking clarification on its correlation to the traditional definition.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the second description, suggesting that it relates to measuring angular velocity in terms of the tangential velocity vector and its normal vector's behavior over time.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in uploading a diagram intended to clarify their explanation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the definitions and interpretations of angular velocity. Some participants support the traditional definition, while others explore alternative formulations without agreement on their validity.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions and assumptions underlying the alternative formulation involving normal vectors, as well as the implications of the tangential velocity vector's behavior.

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Hi there,

It is common that
angular velocity = radius * rate of change of degree over time,

But I read this somewhere,

it reads

angular vel = normal vector * rate of change of normal vector over time,

Can anyone please explain the correlation?

Thank you.
 
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ylim said:
Hi there,

It is common that
angular velocity = radius * rate of change of degree over time,

Very uncommon.

angular velocity = rate of change of angle over time
Linear speed=r*(dtheta/dt) on a circular path.
 
Sorry. Yes, I meant angular velocity = rate of change of angle over time
but my concern is
angular vel = normal vector curl rate of change of normal vector over time,
 
ylim said:
Sorry. Yes, I meant angular velocity = rate of change of angle over time
but my concern is
angular vel = normal vector curl rate of change of normal vector over time,

No the second description isn't that uncommon. If you imagine measuring angular velocity in terms of the rate of change of the tangential velocity vector to the curve, and how the normal of this tangential vector curls in time when compared to the normal of this original vector for a given time interval [tex]\Delta t[/tex]

[Will add a diagram in a few mins]
Hopefully that will clarify

Edit- Having serious trouble uploading diagram, (it's a bmp paint file but it exceeds the limit! :(
 
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thankkssss..~ hmm, do you mind dropping me an email (the bmp) at wincluster@gmail.com

thank you.
 

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