What air pressure can the human body survive?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the limits of air pressure that the human body can withstand, exploring various conditions such as acclimatization, breathing gases, and the effects of high pressure on human physiology. Participants examine theoretical and experimental aspects, including the use of alternative breathing mediums and the physiological challenges faced at different pressures.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that acclimatization plays a significant role in how much pressure a person can survive, with one proposing that a gradual increase to 10,000 psi could be manageable.
  • Others argue that the type of gas being breathed affects survival limits, noting that divers can withstand high pressures without breathing air, but have limits when using air due to nitrogen and oxygen toxicity.
  • One participant mentions that normal air becomes problematic beyond 7 or 8 bars due to toxicity, while others suggest that using helium can allow for higher pressures.
  • There are discussions about liquid breathing, with some recalling experiments where animals breathed super-oxygenated liquids, and others questioning the feasibility of humans doing the same.
  • Concerns are raised about the mechanical difficulty of breathing at high pressures, as well as the need for specific gas mixtures to mitigate toxicity.
  • Participants share anecdotal experiences and historical references to liquid breathing and its implications for human physiology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the topic, with no clear consensus on the exact limits of human survival under varying pressures or the effectiveness of different breathing mediums. Multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific conditions, such as the type of gas mixture used or the duration of exposure to high pressure. The discussion also highlights the unresolved nature of certain physiological responses and the limitations of current knowledge regarding liquid breathing.

  • #31
so on low pressures you can breath 100% oxygen without any damage?
then how much do airplanes use in their tanks, you know, those for the passengers in case of an accident?
 
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  • #33
fawk3s said:
so on low pressures you can breath 100% oxygen without any damage? then how much do airplanes use in their tanks, you know, those for the passengers in case of an accident?

You can breath pure oxygen at 0.21 atmospheres and receive the same oxygen as normal air. This is what the Mercury and Gemini spacecraft used.
This has the big advantage that in space the pressure on the hull is only 0.2atm (3psi instead of 15psi) it also saves weight and removes the risk of decompression sickness if you have to escape at altitude. 0.2 atm of pure O2 is not a fire risk.

The fire on Apollo 1 was caused by an amazingly dumb mistake in a test. The craft was designed to operate at 0.2atm pure oxygen in space, to test the doors on the ground they needed the inside to be 0.2atm higher pressure than outside. They did this by filling it with 1.2atm of pure oxygen which is an incredible fire risk - rather than keeping 0.2 atm of oxygen and adding 1atm of nitrogen/helium/or just about anything else.

Large commercial aircraft carry 100% oxygen but their cabin operates at around 0.75atm air pressure. Smaller aircraft often use 80% oxygen cylinders because with 100% O2 you have to be very careful about the type of grease, rubber, plastic etc used - 80% O2 is much safer.
 
  • #34
mgb_phys said:
The fire on Apollo 1 was caused by an amazingly dumb mistake in a test. The craft was designed to operate at 0.2atm pure oxygen in space, to test the doors on the ground they needed the inside to be 0.2atm higher pressure than outside. They did this by filling it with 1.2atm of pure oxygen...
Yes. I never knew this until I read that Wiki article just now. The story I've always known was a simplification of the facts - no mention that it was a test, and no mention that they overpressured it.
 
  • #35
Danger said:
Let me fix it first. :wink:

Since your PM box is full, I cannot be discreet and am forced publicly bug you to send me your novel.
 
  • #36
DaveC426913 said:
Yes. I never knew this until I read that Wiki article just now. The story I've always known was a simplification of the facts - no mention that it was a test, and no mention that they overpressured it.

Whats more shocking is that the saftey feature of an inwards opening hatch suggested/demanded by Grissom is what killed* the crew.

EDIT: *Contributed to killing them, no one aspect of the accident was directly responsible but the combination was fatal.
 

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