What angle will the vine break and what's the max tension?

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The problem involves analyzing the dynamics of a vine swing across a river, focusing on the tension in the vine and the angle at which it may break. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics, specifically tension, forces, and motion in a gravitational field.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of formulas related to tension and angles, with one participant questioning the completeness of the original poster's approach. There is a focus on the need for additional information regarding the initial angle and velocity to accurately solve the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem's requirements. Some guidance has been offered regarding assumptions about the initial angle of the vine, but no consensus has been reached on how to proceed with the calculations.

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Participants note the ambiguity in the problem statement regarding the initial angle of the vine and the potential need to express solutions in terms of variables rather than specific values. There is also mention of the problem being from an old exam, which may affect the clarity of the question.

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Homework Statement


You come to a river and you see a vine you will use to swing across. Your mass is 75.0 kg, the vine is 18.0 m long, and the vine breaks when under 655 N of tension.
a) at what angle from the vertical will the vine break?
b) what should be the maximum tension supported by the vine for you to safely cross the river?

Homework Equations


T=mgcosθ+ m (v^2/r)
θ=cos^-1((T-m(v^2/r))/mg)
Tmax=mgcos(0)+m(v^2bottom/r)
Tmax=mg+m(v^2bottom/r)

The Attempt at a Solution


How i would solve this problem is by using the formulas like, θ=cos^-1(T/mg)
θ=cos^-1(655/((75.0kg)(9.8m/s^2))
and get θ=27.0 degrees

and Tmax=mg
Tmax=(75.0kg)(9.8m/s^2)
=735 N

is this the correct approach?
 
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In your attempt, you have not included the v2/r term. To find the velocity you need to know what the starting angle is, but you do not have enough information. Is this the exact wording of the question? Is it possible you have left something out?
 
haruspex said:
In your attempt, you have not included the v2/r term. To find the velocity you need to know what the starting angle is, but you do not have enough information. Is this the exact wording of the question? Is it possible you have left something out?

This is the EXACT wording of the question i have, this is on an old exam my professor gave the class to study from (without solutions). Am i supposed to assume since the most tenstion will be halfway thru the swing that it'll be 90 degrees? But it doesn't say he's starting with the vine exactly straight either so i feel that'd be incorrect to assume. Maybe he just wanted to keep the velocity term as v and solve and keep a v in the solution?
 
Charlene said:
This is the EXACT wording of the question i have, this is on an old exam my professor gave the class to study from (without solutions). Am i supposed to assume since the most tenstion will be halfway thru the swing that it'll be 90 degrees? But it doesn't say he's starting with the vine exactly straight either so i feel that'd be incorrect to assume. Maybe he just wanted to keep the velocity term as v and solve and keep a v in the solution?
I think you will have to assume the vine starts horizontal. An alternative would be to specify an initial angle, θ0, and express the answer in terms of that.
 
Deleted. I miss read the question.
 

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