What are the Components of Acceleration in a Vertical Circle?

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a mass attached to a cord swinging in a vertical circle, requiring the determination of tension in the string, as well as the tangential and radial components of acceleration at a specific angle and speed.

Discussion Character

  • Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationships between tension, gravitational force, and acceleration components, with some attempting to apply Newton's laws and centripetal acceleration concepts.

Discussion Status

There are various attempts to clarify the calculations for tension and acceleration components, with some participants questioning the correctness of each other's approaches. Guidance has been offered regarding the relationships between forces and accelerations, but no consensus has been reached on the correct methods.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion over the definitions of radial and tangential acceleration, and there are indications of differing interpretations of the problem setup and assumptions regarding forces acting on the mass.

jmwachtel
Messages
35
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



One end of a cord is fixed and a small 0.250 kg object is attached to the other end, where it swings in a section of a vertical circle of radius 2.50 m as shown in the figure below. When θ = 20.0°, the speed of the object is 7.70 m/s. At this instant, find each of the following.

(a) the tension in the string

(b) the tangential and radial components of acceleration

ar =

at =

(c) the total acceleration

Homework Equations



I have been trying to use ar = mgcos(20)
at = mgsin(20)

Also for the Tension, I was using T= mg(v^2/Rg + cos(20)

The Attempt at a Solution



My numbers are not coming out right, and I am afraid I don't no understad this problem in the slightest. Please help me. Thank You.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Any help would be appriciated. I am new to this, please help.
 
THIS SHOULD HELP YA AT ITS BEST...::

Tension=mg*cos theta

FOR Tangential accln...
TAKE angular displacement as=(pi/180)*20 radian
v=7.70 m/s
Omega=v/R
Use omega^2=0+2*alpha*(pi/180)*20 radian

Calculate alpha...
then calculate t using omega=0+alpha*t

then Tangential accln=v/t

Total accln={at^2+ac^2}^1/2

Radial accln=v^2/r
 
Newton's laws will always rescue us.:smile:

physixguru said:
Tension=mg*cos theta

That is incorrect. That is only so when the object/particle is at the extremes of oscillation and at such points v=0 but it is not so in this case.

jmwachtel said:
I have been trying to use ar = mgcos(20)

That is not right. Radial accelaration is T - mgcos(20) = m(v^2)/R for it is centripetally accelarating.( Fnet= ma! You've got to consider all the forces.)

jmwachtel said:
T= mg(v^2/Rg + cos(20)

Thats right. How come you have used T-mgcos(20)=m(v^2)/R here? Tension should come out right.

Feel free to ask anything else if you still feel unsure about something.
 
That is not right. Radial accelaration is T - mgcos(20) = m(v^2)/R for it is centripetally accelarating.( Fnet= ma! You've got to consider all the forces.)

I believe you meant centripetal acceleration.

Radial acceleration comes from the other component of the weight
 
Huh? It is radially accelerating inwards, yes? Then should radial accn. not equal Centripetal accn.?
 
You said the tension part is incorrect, what is the correct way to find the tension?
 
anirudh215 said:
Huh? It is radially accelerating inwards, yes? Then should radial accn. not equal Centripetal accn.?

Radial acceleration means the acceleration that is linear to its movement,

Centripetal acceleration means the acceleration that is perpendicular to its movement.

EDIT:
OK so sorry, radial acceleration is centripetal acceleration. The acceleration that is linear to movement is known as tangenial acceleration
 
Last edited:
I figured out the tension and the tagnet acceleration, but I need to figure out the radial now. How might I do that, I don't understand all the stuff that guro did. I used at = gsin(20).
 
  • #10
Ok, I have solved all of the problem except for one piece:

atotal = 23.9 m/s2 inward and below the cord at °

What does below the cord mean? I know it's asking for an angle.
 
  • #11
Hi Jim,For an object moving in a citcle we know that the resultant acceleration is given as the centripetal force of acceleration. In the question, the tension and the weight component add up to this centripetal acceleration. Can you figure this out now?
 
  • #12
It's Joe. Yes I did! Thank You! I took the tan inverse of at/ar and that have me 8.04. Thank You!
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
25K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
4K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
8K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K