What are the different ways to calculate the mathematical constant e?

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The discussion revolves around various mathematical expressions for calculating the constant e, including limits, series, and derivatives. Participants explore the relationships between these different formulations and seek to understand their equivalence.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to prove the equivalence of several equations for e, expressing confusion about some of the formulations and their derivations. Participants discuss the use of power series and derivatives, while also questioning the role of Bell's numbers and the significance of starting indices in the series.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's ideas, providing insights into the relationships between the equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of derivatives and power series, but there remains a lack of consensus on the connections between all the expressions, particularly for the last three equations.

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There is mention of language barriers affecting comprehension, as well as the original poster's reference to a word document for further clarification of the equations. The discussion also highlights the potential confusion arising from the different starting points of the series.

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Homework Statement


Prove that all these equations are equal to calculate e:

e1= lim (1+1/n)^n - for n to infinity
e2= E 1/k! - for k from 0 to m
e3= 1 / E[(-1)^k/k!] - for k from 0 to m
e4= E(k^2)/2k! - for k from 1 to m
e5= E(k^3)/5k! - for k from 1 to m
e6= E(k^4)15k! - for k from 1 to m

I used E as the symbol for summing a series of numbers. Guess it´s the most similar letter to that symbol. Hope you understand the equations...if not I have them in a word document.

Homework Equations



MacLaurin series, binomial expansion...etc

The Attempt at a Solution



e1 is done since it´s the most common definition for e.
e2 is done thanks to the binomial expansion

e3 have no idea
e4 to e6 I think it has something to do with Bell´s number, but don´t know how to prove these are equal. I tried expanding them over several pages and finding some common factors but to no use.

Can someone help me? I´ve browsed the web for days but I can only find people saying that they are ways of calculating e and not the reason why they are equal.
Many thanks!
 
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You should have seen the third one. You know e^x=sum x^k/k! for k=0 to infinity, right? If you look at the denominator of e3, it's e^(-1). To get e4 look at the derivative of e^(x) at x=1 by differentiating the power series. To get the others look at higher derivatives of e^(x) at x=1. They are all equal to e, right?
 
Thanks Dick for the answer. But I don´t understand ¨look at the derivative of e^(x) at x=1 by differentiating the power series¨. I do calculus in spanish so couldn´t get your idea.
How does Bell´s Number play into the last three formulas?
Why does k start from 1 and not from 0 in those last 3 formulas?

e3 is like you said. Can´t see why I didn´t get that one. Must be too much coffee blocks my brain!

Cheers and thanks again!
 
The n=0 terms in the last 3 do not contribute anything as opposed to the first 3 where they do (0! = 1).
 
I mean that e^(x)=sum x^k/k!. The derivative of e^(x) is e^(x). The derivative of x^k/k! is k*x^(k-1)/k!, right? So e^(x) is also equal to sum k*x^(k-1)/k!. Try evaluating at x=1. Now take higher derivatives. I don't think you need Bell's numbers.
 
ok now I get for the first derivative e^1 = k.(1)^k-1 / k!, which is the same as writing 1/(k-1)! That´s not the same as e4, but let's see the next derivative:
d2 e^x/d2 x = e^x = k . (k-1) . x^(k-2) / k!

which evaluated in x= 1 gives something like [ k^(2)-k ] / k! which isn´t the same as e4= k^2/ 2k!

That 2 underneath has me confused. The same as the 5 and 15 in e5 and e6 respectively.
 
You are getting there. You've got sum k/k!=e. Now you also have sum k^2/k!-k/k!=e. So k^2/k!=2e, right? Solve for e!
 
Done...the last two are just adding and subtracting blocks that are equal to e that we already know.

Many thanks to both of you!

Have a great week.
Nico
 

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