What are the Extra Dimensions in the LHC experiment?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "extra dimensions" as they relate to the LHC experiment, exploring theoretical implications and interpretations within the framework of physics. Participants express curiosity about the nature of these dimensions and their potential existence, as well as their relationship to concepts like parallel universes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that extra dimensions, if they exist, are not part of another universe but belong to our universe, albeit not perceivable by us.
  • There is a notion that extra dimensions might be "curled up" and that only gravity can interact with them, while light and other particles cannot, which contributes to their invisibility.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the possibility of proving the existence of extra dimensions, indicating that it remains a theoretical concept.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between extra dimensions and parallel universes, with some participants noting that while respected physicists have considered parallel universes, they are not necessarily the same as the extra dimensions being discussed.
  • One participant highlights that finding evidence for extra dimensions could radically alter our understanding of the universe, while another suggests it might confirm existing concepts instead.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of curiosity and skepticism regarding the existence of extra dimensions, with no consensus on their nature or implications. The discussion reflects both excitement about potential discoveries and caution regarding the speculative nature of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the speculative nature of the discussion, particularly regarding the nature of extra dimensions and their interaction with gravity. There are also references to the Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI) of quantum mechanics, which some participants argue does not align with traditional sci-fi interpretations of parallel universes.

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What are the "Extra Dimensions" in the LHC experiment?

First of all, I'd like you people to know that I'm a 10th grader. So yes, silly questions may follow.

As the topic says, I want to have an idea of what the 'extra dimensions', that might possibly be discovered in the LHC experiment according to the CERN report, really are.

-Are those something like "Parallel universes", the things we see in comics and sci-fi stuff? Different people, or our doubles, living in the same space, which is not actually the same. Is it something -roughly- like that?

I tried to google it but most of the stuff there just went right over my head. Also, I request you to be as simple as possible, as I'm yet learning the basics.
 
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The extra dimensions, should they exist, are not part of another universe. They belong to our universe, though we are not able to see or percieve them (that's all I understand about them, sorry...)

By the way, the "parallel universes" are not only a concept of science fiction. Respectable physicists have thought about them, in the context of an interpretation of quantum mechanics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation Don't feel bad if you can't understand all that stuff, neither can I. Just wanted to show you that people are seriously thinking about it. However, it is just a theory, and it will probably never be possible to prove it, so don't get too excited about it.
 


Oberst Villa said:
The extra dimensions, should they exist, are not part of another universe. They belong to our universe, though we are not able to see or perceive them (that's all I understand about them, sorry...)
I see. So basically the total 'space' is the same, inside which there are multiple worlds. Wow, this stuff has to be complicated. I can't even find words to describe it. Matter that's somehow hidden from our view, doesn't occupy space, yet exists in the same place?

By the way, the "parallel universes" are not only a concept of science fiction. Respectable physicists have thought about them, in the context of an interpretation of quantum mechanics
Now that was exactly what I was looking for. I can't imagine something so fictitious actually having substance in it.
But when you say 'respectable scientists' you imply that that the majority either doesn't believe in it or has some alternative to this theory. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Don't feel bad if you can't understand all that stuff, neither can I. Just wanted to show you that people are seriously thinking about it.
Yeah, but it would've been much more convenient if you could just look up Wiki and understand everything in first read. :(
And scientists actually believing this concept is indeed news to me.

However, it is just a theory, and it will probably never be possible to prove it, so don't get too excited about it.
Okay, you just gave me a reason NOT to be excited about the LHC experiment. X(
But regardless, such an interesting concept not being refuted is good enough for me.
 


DarkStalker said:
I see. So basically the total 'space' is the same, inside which there are multiple worlds. Wow, this stuff has to be complicated. I can't even find words to describe it. Matter that's somehow hidden from our view, doesn't occupy space, yet exists in the same place?

The "extra dimensions" are simply extra dimensions of space, in addition to the usual three (x,y,z). There are a few differences, though. First, they are not "straight" dimensions, but are curled up into tiny circles. Second, only gravity can enter these extra dimensions. Light and other particles can't, which is why we can't readily see them.

Okay, you just gave me a reason NOT to be excited about the LHC experiment. X(
But regardless, such an interesting concept not being refuted is good enough for me.

Don't lose your enthusiasm! IF the LHC finds evidence that extra dimensions really exist, that would be the most exciting result possible to come out of the experiment! The other expected results -- finding the Higgs boson, or possibly supersymmetry -- will merely show us that new particles exist. But finding extra dimensions would radically alter our concept of the universe. You can't help but be excited about that!
 


Oberst Villa said:
By the way, the "parallel universes" are not only a concept of science fiction. Respectable physicists have thought about them, in the context of an interpretation of quantum mechanics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation
DarkStalker said:
Now that was exactly what I was looking for. I can't imagine something so fictitious actually having substance in it.
The MWI doesn't talk about sci-fi-style parallel universes; the similarities are only superficial (although probably the origin of the terminology).
 


A/4 said:
The "extra dimensions" are simply extra dimensions of space, in addition to the usual three (x,y,z). There are a few differences, though. First, they are not "straight" dimensions, but are curled up into tiny circles. Second, only gravity can enter these extra dimensions. Light and other particles can't, which is why we can't readily see them.

until the nature of those dimensions and the nature of gravity can be discovered, that remains speculation though

A/4 said:
But finding extra dimensions would radically alter our concept of the universe. You can't help but be excited about that!

Or maybe finding extra dimensions confirms our concept of the universe instead of altering it ;)

Either way, it is indeed exciting stuff ^^
 


Hurkyl said:
The MWI doesn't talk about sci-fi-style parallel universes; the similarities are only superficial (although probably the origin of the terminology).

Many cosmologists and string theorists maintain that the MWI applies to superpositions of universes.
 

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