What are the Four Dimensions in Our Space-Time Continuum?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of dimensions in the context of the space-time continuum, specifically addressing whether time is considered the fourth dimension. Participants explore the definitions and implications of different dimensions, including their representations and the nature of time in relation to spatial dimensions.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the fourth dimension is time, while others suggest that the designation of dimensions can depend on the starting point of counting.
  • One participant argues that while "0 dimensions" can be represented by a dot, "1 dimension" is not limited to a line and can include curves, exemplified by the equation {(x,y)| y= x^2} as a one-dimensional set.
  • Another participant points out that a sphere, while a three-dimensional object, does not represent "3 dimensions" in the same way that a point, line, and plane represent 0, 1, and 2 dimensions, respectively.
  • There is a suggestion that "4D = time" is fundamentally different from the other dimensions, and that a more accurate term might be "4D = time-space."
  • Participants discuss the need for multiple numbers to designate points in different dimensions, noting that physicists refer to "events" that occur at specific points in space and time, requiring three spatial coordinates and one temporal coordinate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that time is one of the dimensions in the space-time continuum, but there is no consensus on whether it is definitively the "fourth dimension" or how dimensions should be categorized.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of defining dimensions and the varying interpretations of how time fits into the framework of spatial dimensions. There are unresolved nuances regarding the definitions and implications of dimensionality.

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Is the 4th dimension time?

0D = dot
1D = line
2D = plane
3D = sphere
4D = time

Am I correct?
 
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Yes. And welcome to PF, flamingyawn.
 
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flamingyawn said:
Is the 4th dimension time?

0D = dot
1D = line
2D = plane
3D = sphere
4D = time

Am I correct?
Yes, one of the four dimensions in our "four dimensional space time continuum" is time but whether it is "the fourth dimension" depends on where you start counting!

Yes, "0 dimensions" would be a dot, but "1 dimension" is not necessarily a line. It could be any curve. For example, the set {(x,y)| y= x^2} is one-dimensional. Similarly, a plane is an example of a two dimensional set but a two dimensional set can be any surface.

A sphere is in 3 dimensions but it is not "3 dimensions" in the same sense that a point, line, and plane "are" 0, 1, and 2 dimensions- it does not encompass all of 3 dimensional space. And, in keeping with the previous examples, you should have "3D = all of space".

And "4D = time" is completely different from the others. "Time" does not have 4 dimensions in the same sense that the others have 1, 2, or 2 dimensions. "4D= time-space" would be better.

The number of dimensions something has expresses how many numbers you need to designate a single "point" in that thing. A "point" has 0 dimensions because you only have the one point to begin with so you don't need to "designate" it at all. To designate a point on a line (or curve) I could arbitrarily assign "0" to one point and measure from that to the point I want to designate and assign it the distance (positive in one direction and negative in the other). To designate a point on a plane, i could set up a coordinate system and use the two number, x and y. To designate a point in space, I need three numbers.

Physicists work with "events"- thing that happen at a specific point, at a specific time. We need three numbers to designate the point and one number to designate the time. That is what we mean when we say that space-time is "four dimensional" and that time is the "fourth dimension".
 
HallsofIvy said:
Yes, one of the four dimensions in our "four dimensional space time continuum" is time but whether it is "the fourth dimension" depends on where you start counting!

Yes, "0 dimensions" would be a dot, but "1 dimension" is not necessarily a line. It could be any curve. For example, the set {(x,y)| y= x^2} is one-dimensional. Similarly, a plane is an example of a two dimensional set but a two dimensional set can be any surface.

A sphere is in 3 dimensions but it is not "3 dimensions" in the same sense that a point, line, and plane "are" 0, 1, and 2 dimensions- it does not encompass all of 3 dimensional space. And, in keeping with the previous examples, you should have "3D = all of space".

And "4D = time" is completely different from the others. "Time" does not have 4 dimensions in the same sense that the others have 1, 2, or 2 dimensions. "4D= time-space" would be better.

The number of dimensions something has expresses how many numbers you need to designate a single "point" in that thing. A "point" has 0 dimensions because you only have the one point to begin with so you don't need to "designate" it at all. To designate a point on a line (or curve) I could arbitrarily assign "0" to one point and measure from that to the point I want to designate and assign it the distance (positive in one direction and negative in the other). To designate a point on a plane, i could set up a coordinate system and use the two number, x and y. To designate a point in space, I need three numbers.

Physicists work with "events"- thing that happen at a specific point, at a specific time. We need three numbers to designate the point and one number to designate the time. That is what we mean when we say that space-time is "four dimensional" and that time is the "fourth dimension".

thanks
 

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