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The discussion centers on the electoral significance of Hispanic and Black voters in the upcoming Obama-McCain election, highlighting that New Mexico's 5 electoral votes may not be pivotal despite its Hispanic population. Eligible Hispanic voters total approximately 17 million, while Black voters are around 24 million, compared to 151 million White voters, indicating a demographic imbalance. Concerns are raised about the potential impact of a Hispanic vice-presidential candidate for Obama, with opinions divided on whether it would significantly sway Hispanic votes. The conversation also touches on the importance of the vice-presidential picks for both candidates, especially considering McCain's age and the historical context of racial tensions surrounding Obama. Overall, the thread emphasizes the need for informed discussions about voter demographics and electoral strategies as the election approaches.

Who will win the General Election?

  • Obama by over 15 Electoral Votes

    Votes: 16 50.0%
  • Obama by under 15 Electoral Votes

    Votes: 6 18.8%
  • McCain by over 15 Electoral Votes

    Votes: 4 12.5%
  • McCain by under 15 Electoral Votes

    Votes: 6 18.8%

  • Total voters
    32
  • #241
One of the US's most influential evangelical leaders says that McCain lacks principle. He is a DC lobbyist for a 30Million-strong evangelical coalition, and he is very concerned about environmental issues which could impact on climate change, so his concerns about McCain are significant if they translate to action among evangelicals.

http://coloradoindependent.com/8807/evangelical-leader-smacks-mccain-for-lack-of-principle
 
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  • #242
After the next president is elected, I hope that there is much better scrutiny by the media of goings on in Washington.

Actually I hope it's happening today, and from now on.
 
  • #243
In this election cycle, the press is being cut out of all substantive contact with McCain and Palin. Every time those two spend some time with the press, they end up making gaffes and trying to recover from "foot in mouth" disease. The Washington Post is actually monitoring their refusal to take questions and marking the days.
 
  • #244
One of the giant mortgage companies at the heart of the credit crisis paid $15,000 a month from the end of 2005 through last month to a firm owned by Senator John McCain’s campaign manager, according to two people with direct knowledge of the arrangement.

The disclosure undercuts a statement by Mr. McCain on Sunday night that the campaign manager, Rick Davis, had had no involvement with the company for the last several years.

Mr. Davis’s firm received the payments from the company, Freddie Mac, until it was taken over by the government this month along with Fannie Mae, the other big mortgage lender whose deteriorating finances helped precipitate the cascading problems on Wall Street, the people said.

They said they did not recall Mr. Davis’s doing much substantive work for the company in return for the money, other than speak to a political action committee of high-ranking employees in October 2006 on the approaching midterm Congressional elections. They said Mr. Davis’s firm, Davis & Manafort, had been kept on the payroll because of Mr. Davis’s close ties to Mr. McCain, the Republican presidential nominee, who by 2006 was widely expected to run again for the White House.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/24/u...&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

So what will McCain do about this revelation? Will he act shocked and indignant, and fire his campaign manager? He has been accusing Obama of having close ties to Fannie and Freddie managers - that smear probably won't work for him after this.

Confirmation from Newsweek:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/160561/output/print
 
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  • #246
Obama likely to keep debate as McCain seeks delay

NEW YORK - Barack Obama's campaign says he is inclined to go ahead with Friday's presidential debate, even though rival John McCain is calling for a delay

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080924/ap_on_el_pr/mccain

Kind of a one sided debate.
 
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  • #247
Laura Bush: Palin lacks foreign policy experience, but . . .
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080924/ap_on_el_pr/palin_laura_bush
WASHINGTON - First lady Laura Bush says Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin lacks sufficient foreign policy experience but is a very quick study.

Palin: Another Great Depression could be in store
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080924/ap_on_el_pr/palin_4
NEW YORK - Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin said Wednesday that the United States could be headed for another Great Depression if Congress doesn't act on the financial crisis.

Just when I think the surrealism of the 2008 Presidential Election has peaked - it surges yet again.
 
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  • #248
Evo said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080924/ap_on_el_pr/mccain

Kind of a one sided debate.

I don't think that will change the quality of the debate.
 
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  • #249
Evo said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080924/ap_on_el_pr/mccain

Kind of a one sided debate.

Sounds like McCain is in a rush to make himself sound presidential, after flopping about like a fool the last couple of days. Maybe even they are short on cash
McCain adviser Mark Salter initially said the senator would suspend all advertising and campaign events until a workable deal is reached on the bailout proposal — but only if the Obama campaign agreed to do the same. But later, McCain adviser Steve Schmidt said McCain would move ahead regardless of whether Obama agrees.
I think Obama is right that the country deserves an airing of the issues and approaches from the candidate, and maybe the topic of the debate should be about the economy instead of Foreign Affairs. But this strangely looks like cowardice from McCain who I imagine is incapable of retooling his groomed preparations to a topic switch.
 
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  • #250
Well - I would think that if the Senate is discussing/debating/crafting/deliberating on the Paulson plan, then both Senators McCain and Obama should be participating. I'm not sure if it is necessary to suspend the debate though, but perhaps the focus should shift primarily to the economy, the remedy for the current situation, and where we go from here, including tax policy and federal spending, debt and deficit spending, . . . . .
 
  • #251
Astronuc said:
Well - I would think that if the Senate is discussing/debating/crafting/deliberating on the Paulson plan, then both Senators McCain and Obama should be participating. I'm not sure if it is necessary to suspend the debate though, but perhaps the focus should shift primarily to the economy, the remedy for the current situation, and where we go from here, including tax policy and federal spending, debt and deficit spending, . . . . .

Certainly I wouldn't expect that they would stop deliberating, but let's see how busy they are Friday night. The Nation might hope they can both chew gum and walk at the same time. Obama looks up to the task. Does McCain need extra nap time?
 
  • #252
turbo-1 said:
...So what will McCain do about this revelation? Will he act shocked and indignant, and fire his campaign manager? He has been accusing Obama of having close ties to Fannie and Freddie managers - that smear probably won't work for him after this.
Sen Obama does indeed have close ties to Fanne/Freddie executives.

http://www.nysun.com/national/top-talent-scout-for-obama-tied-to-subprime-lender/79579/
James Johnson, one of three people tapped by Mr. Obama recently to oversee the search for his running mate, took at least five real estate loans totaling more than $7 million from Countrywide Financial Corp.
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From 1991 to 1998, Mr. Johnson served as CEO of the Federal National Mortgage Association, also known as Fannie Mae, which worked closely with Countrywide, one of the nation's leading lenders and loan servicing companies. In 1996, Mr. Johnson named Mr. Mozilo as chairman of Fannie Mae's national advisory council.
 
  • #254
Obama has just taken a surge in the polls.

Poll: Economic Discontent Boosts Barack Obama Over John McCain
Democrat Takes 52-43 Lead Among Likely Voters, Erases Republican's Post-Palin Pick Gains

He's recovered to a 14-point lead over McCain in trust to handle the economy, and leads by 13 points specifically in trust to deal with the meltdown of major financial institutions.

Obama leads by more, 24 points, 57-33 percent, in better understanding the public's economic problems.

More economic worry, plus an Obama lead among those who express it, spells a lead for the Democrat: In a head-to-head-match-up he's now supported by 52 percent of likely voters vs. McCain's 43 percent, the first significant advantage for either candidate among likely voters in ABC/Post polls.

http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Politics/story?id=5866046&page=1
 
  • #255
The CNN poll of polls still has them at 49-45, but they also noted an upward trend and slight lead for Obama in five swing states that are currently listed as tied, including Michigan, Colorado, and Penn. I didn't catch the other two. Hopefully one was Florida.
 
  • #256
Intrade currently has Obama 56.3 vs. McCain 44.8. A few days ago, McCain was showing a slight lead; it appears that the Palin honeymoon is officially over.

Intrade also has state-by-state predictions, and associated electoral college counts, which show McCain ahead in Florida and slightly ahead in Ohio (as well as all of your usual red states). But that seems not to be able to match up with the higher populations of the blue states. Michigan, Colorado and Minnesota are currently shown as firmly in the Obama column.
 
  • #257
Evo said:
That's old non-news. Johnson resigned from the UNPAID position as vetter in the VP search the first week of June.
Yep, quit under fire. Former CEOs like Johnson don't work for campaigns for money, that's pocket change. They work for appointments or influence in the coming Admin.
 
  • #258
MinneapolisStar said:
Freddie Mac paid McCain aide's firm

A mortgage giant in center of the financial crisis paid $15,000 a month to a firm owned by McCain's campaign manager as recently as last month, sources say.
http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/president/29653084.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr
 
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  • #259
And they were getting their panties in a bunch because Obama used the cliche about McCain's economic policies being Bush's policies and it was all lipstick on a pig?

How's this one for sensitive phrasing by Mark Salter of the McCain Campaign?
Mark_Salter said:
Salter said to expect more of the same, saying the campaign was tired of “catching the spears.”
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/19/attack-by-association-viewed-as-fair-game-by-mccain-camp/

Nah, he wouldn't ... nah that kind of racial shorthand went out with the 1960's didn't it?
 
  • #260
mheslep said:
Yep, quit under fire. Former CEOs like Johnson don't work for campaigns for money, that's pocket change. They work for appointments or influence in the coming Admin.
Johnson left Fannie over a decade ago. What's the point here, exactly?
 
  • #261
$500B bailout for the Savings and Loans

$700B bailout for the deregulated banking industry.

Let's hope those are bookends to the McCain career in elected office.

We can't afford for him to become any more of an overachiever.

He's managed to play a part in costing the US more than twice what Bill Gates has ever made.
 
  • #262
Gokul43201 said:
Johnson left Fannie over a decade ago. What's the point here, exactly?
Fannie and Freddie's long term inside relationship with the federal government is the principal cause of the current subprime based credit problem. Sen Obama did nothing to stop Fan/Fred in his tenure and is now confusing the issue with 'McCain the Deregulator' banter. Support and association with those that ran these GSE's and think they are a great thing, like Johnson and Raines, increase the chances that we'll just see more of the same.
 
  • #263
More interesting/disturbing news:
Obama effigy found hanging from campus tree

NEWBERG, Ore. - Students and school leaders at a small Christian university expressed outrage Wednesday at the discovery of a life-size cardboard effigy of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama hanging from a tree on campus.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26872774/
 
  • #264
lets see now, the current administration has long and persistently advocated stock market retirement accounts instead of guaranteed social security, but currently SS is the only reliable retirement accounts left.

the current administration advocates no limits on compensation for ceo's of bankrupt wall street firms and banks guilty of creating the current crisis, and plugs for the taxpayer to fund an unregulated unreviewed bailout of same firms.

even republican banking committee chair richard shelby says the white house declines to answer such basic questions as " did you consider any other options? [other than a simple payoff by taxpayers]

straight talk expressman mc cain wants to cancel his obligation to debate his opponent in front of the public, and has answered hardly any questions since august.

picking on republicans now is like shooting dead fish in a barrel, and yet they still have their apologists, as i introduce ...
 
  • #265
oh and i plan to vote for sarah pailn, because she owns a rifle, can see russia from her state, and,..uhh,...oh yes is a woman,.
 
  • #266
mheslep said:
Fannie and Freddie's long term inside relationship with the federal government is the principal cause of the current subprime based credit problem. Sen Obama did nothing to stop Fan/Fred in his tenure and is now confusing the issue with 'McCain the Deregulator' banter. Support and association with those that ran these GSE's and think they are a great thing, like Johnson and Raines, increase the chances that we'll just see more of the same.
GSE's have been around for about a century. I haven't heard any serious economist say that the cause of this problem is the existence of GSEs. On the other hand, it is very likely that the completely unregulated derivatives market, with the newly created credit default swaps are what's primarily behind the current problem.

To quote Buffet, from 2002:
Many people argue that derivatives reduce systemic problems, in that participants who can’t bear certain risks are able to transfer them to stronger hands. These people believe that derivatives act to stabilize the economy, facilitate trade, and eliminate bumps for individual participants. And, on a micro level, what they say is often true. Indeed, at Berkshire, I sometimes engage in large-scale derivatives transactions in order to facilitate certain investment strategies.

Charlie and I believe, however, that the macro picture is dangerous and getting more so. Large amounts of risk, particularly credit risk, have become concentrated in the hands of relatively few derivatives dealers, who in addition trade extensively with one other. The troubles of one could quickly infect the others. On top of that, these dealers are owed huge amounts by non-dealer counterparties. Some of these counterparties, as I’ve mentioned, are linked in ways that could cause them to contemporaneously run into a problem because of a single event (such as the implosion of the telecom industry or the precipitous decline in the value of merchant power projects). Linkage, when it suddenly surfaces, can trigger serious systemic problems.

Indeed, in 1998, the leveraged and derivatives-heavy activities of a single hedge fund, Long-Term Capital Management, caused the Federal Reserve anxieties so severe that it hastily orchestrated a rescue effort. In later Congressional testimony, Fed officials acknowledged that, had they not intervened, the outstanding trades of LTCM – a firm unknown to the general public and employing only a few hundred people – could well have posed a serious threat to the stability of American markets. In other words, the Fed acted because its leaders were fearful of what might have happened to other financial institutions had the LTCM domino toppled. And this affair, though it paralyzed many parts of the fixed-income market for weeks, was far from a worst-case scenario.

One of the derivatives instruments that LTCM used was total-return swaps, contracts that facilitate 100% leverage in various markets, including stocks. For example, Party A to a contract, usually a bank, puts up all of the money for the purchase of a stock while Party B, without putting up any capital, agrees that at a future date it will receive any gain or pay any loss that the bank realizes.

Total-return swaps of this type make a joke of margin requirements. Beyond that, other types of derivatives severely curtail the ability of regulators to curb leverage and generally get their arms around the risk profiles of banks, insurers and other financial institutions. Similarly, even experienced investors and analysts encounter major problems in analyzing the financial condition of firms that are heavily involved with derivatives contracts. When Charlie and I finish reading the long footnotes detailing the derivatives activities of major banks, the only thing we understand is that we don’t understand how much risk the institution is running.

The derivatives genie is now well out of the bottle, and these instruments will almost certainly multiply in variety and number until some event makes their toxicity clear. Knowledge of how dangerous they are has already permeated the electricity and gas businesses, in which the eruption of major troubles caused the use of derivatives to diminish dramatically. Elsewhere, however, the derivatives business continues to expand unchecked. Central banks and governments have so far found no effective way to control, or even monitor, the risks posed by these contracts.

http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/2002ar/2002ar.pdf
 
  • #267
i hate to put all or most of my eggs in one basket, but if the american electorate sees fit to choose the republican ticket again this time,... gosh, it will almost be discouraging as to their cogency.
 
  • #268
Gokul43201 said:
GSE's have been around for about a century. I haven't heard any serious economist say that the cause of this problem is the existence of GSEs.
??
Greenspan 2005 said:
"If [Fannie and Freddie] continue to grow, continue to have the low capital that they have, continue to engage in the dynamic hedging of their portfolios, which they need to do for interest rate risk aversion, they potentially create ever-growing potential systemic risk down the road." He added, "Enabling these institutions to increase in size--and they will, once the crisis, in their judgment, passes--we are placing the total financial system of the future at a substantial risk."
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:i5qAjI4lEtMJ:www.aei.org/publications/pubID.22514/pub_detail.asp+In+February+2005,+the+House+Financial+Services+Committee+heard+testimony+from+Chairman+Greenspan+on+the+condition+of+the+economy.+After+his+prepared+testimony,+in+response+to+a+question+about+the+GSEs%27+portfolios,+Greenspan+noted,+%22We+have+found+no+reasonable+basis+for+that+portfolio+above+very+minimum+needs.%22+He+then+proposed&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

On the other hand, it is very likely that the completely unregulated derivatives market, with the newly created credit default swaps are what's primarily behind the current problem.

To quote Buffet, from 2002:


http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/2002ar/2002ar.pdf
Most of the bad debt that is causing this problem is derived from bad mortgages.
 
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  • #269
mheslep said:
??

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:i5qAjI4lEtMJ:www.aei.org/publications/pubID.22514/pub_detail.asp+In+February+2005,+the+House+Financial+Services+Committee+heard+testimony+from+Chairman+Greenspan+on+the+condition+of+the+economy.+After+his+prepared+testimony,+in+response+to+a+question+about+the+GSEs%27+portfolios,+Greenspan+noted,+%22We+have+found+no+reasonable+basis+for+that+portfolio+above+very+minimum+needs.%22+He+then+proposed&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
So the problem is not with the existence of GSEs but that they were, as of 2005, (after Johnson and Raines had both left) showing potential to continue to grow, continue to have the low capital and continue to engage in the dynamic hedging of their portfolios, which would lead to significant risk.

PS: The "dynamic hedging" Greenspan was talking about happens on the aforementioned derivatives market. Were the GSEs such a big liability before they engaged in dynamic hedging?
 
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  • #270
Word is from Congress that the Bailout package has been agreed to.

Congressman Paul Kanjorski was on CNBC awhile ago discussing the agreement that has been reached in the House and Senate as to the basic terms.

He said the candidates can just stay away. That they are not needed.

So McCain arrives in Washington with all his fire gear on and there's no fire for him to act like he is putting out.

Oh darn just when he thought he had figured out where the parade was heading so he could run to the front and act like he's leading it, they go in a different direction. Better catch the plane back to Oxford Mississippi before the country catches him playing the part of the fool again.
 

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