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The discussion centers on the electoral significance of Hispanic and Black voters in the upcoming Obama-McCain election, highlighting that New Mexico's 5 electoral votes may not be pivotal despite its Hispanic population. Eligible Hispanic voters total approximately 17 million, while Black voters are around 24 million, compared to 151 million White voters, indicating a demographic imbalance. Concerns are raised about the potential impact of a Hispanic vice-presidential candidate for Obama, with opinions divided on whether it would significantly sway Hispanic votes. The conversation also touches on the importance of the vice-presidential picks for both candidates, especially considering McCain's age and the historical context of racial tensions surrounding Obama. Overall, the thread emphasizes the need for informed discussions about voter demographics and electoral strategies as the election approaches.

Who will win the General Election?

  • Obama by over 15 Electoral Votes

    Votes: 16 50.0%
  • Obama by under 15 Electoral Votes

    Votes: 6 18.8%
  • McCain by over 15 Electoral Votes

    Votes: 4 12.5%
  • McCain by under 15 Electoral Votes

    Votes: 6 18.8%

  • Total voters
    32
  • #271
As I understand it, President Bush is planning to meet with McCain and Obama, which given that either will be president as of next January, is appropriate so that they understand what they will have to deal with. McCain and Obama are still US Senators so they should be present for the deliberations and voting on the bill.
 
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  • #272
Astronuc said:
As I understand it, President Bush is planning to meet with McCain and Obama, which given that either will be president as of next January, is appropriate so that they understand what they will have to deal with. McCain and Obama are still US Senators so they should be present for the deliberations and voting on the bill.

Well I appreciate that. But the deliberations are over. The hearings are wrapped up. And the bills will be reported out of committee shortly, apparently with the votes need in both houses. The afternoon meeting looks like a photo op. It also looks like Bush pulling McCain's bacon put of the fire after his half cocked run to get to the head of the parade and play drum major.

Apparently Obama was the one that wanted to calm fears and issue a joint statement since McCain had adopted so many of his positions. Unfortunately it was McCain that two faced Obama and then rushed to press with his schemes to paint himself as presidential and rush back to Washington and try to cancel the debates. McCain's eagerness to play the part and try to set the agenda left him out on a limb, that Bush by calling the meeting today has given him a graceful way out. And now with the country having an economic solution in hand, it looks like his attempt to cancel the debate will land with a very un-presidential thud.

Watching McCain's performance this last week, the Nation may have more to fear from McCain's recklessness than from the Bible-thumping vacuous VP Palin. Bush after 8 years is finally looking better than McCain.
 
  • #273
I haven't seen an update on whether McCain is going to show up for the debate. If he doesn't, it's going to look bad, IMO.
 
  • #274
Evo said:
I haven't seen an update on whether McCain is going to show up for the debate. If he doesn't, it's going to look bad, IMO.

He'll be there tail between his legs, acting no doubt like it was his idea to go ahead with the debates since he was able to straighten out things in Washington so quickly.
 
  • #275
LowlyPion said:
He'll be there tail between his legs, acting no doubt like it was his idea to go ahead with the debates since he was able to straighten out things in Washington so quickly.
I just spit my lunch onto my monitor.

Wow, you've been posting up a storm, just the other day you had 666 posts, now you're at 1,000 and that's not counting the 10,000 posts in here. :biggrin:
 
  • #276
Interesting that McCain said he was suspending his campaign. Suspending his media buys. Interesting because I saw this morning an attack ad trying to link Obama with people in Chicago, some of whom were claimed to have links to organized crime. A really mean-spirited mud slinging job.

"This message was approved by John McCain." dutifully appended at the bottom. What a dishonest fellow this McCain has turned out to be after all of his big talk in the primaries about honor and bringing Change, a new way of doing things, a reformer. What a load of rubbish now that he has revealed how two faced he is, how confused he is and ever so willing to claim other peoples positions and ideas as his own if they look like they are playing better, while at the same time frantically acting forcefully in unthoughtful ways simply to aggrandize himself - in some vain attempt to portray himself as decisive.

He finished at the bottom of his Class at The Academy. He deserves no better that that now as judged by his actions in this campaign than to finish last in the election as well.
 
  • #277
Evo said:
I just spit my lunch onto my monitor.

Wow, you've been posting up a storm, just the other day you had 666 posts, now you're at 1,000 and that's not counting the 10,000 posts in here. :biggrin:

Not that many here.

Though perhaps it's not the quantity that carries the perception of such weight?
 
  • #278
It appears McCain's stunt has backfired.

One longtime GOP adviser who has been involved in past presidential campaigns and debates says that McCain's move will spin out one of two ways: If he goes back to Washington and is seen as a catalyst for a palatable solution to the crisis, it will be a "great way for McCain to stop his bleeding on the economy," the adviser said. "But it can also be seen as a transparent political ploy, when he could just as easily appear at the debate, insist the discussion be all about the economy, and talk this through with Obama." The adviser's prediction: It will play out as a political ploy.

Obama, taken by surprise with McCain's television appearance just minutes after the two had spoken, wasn't biting on the no-debate proposal. In a hastily arranged press conference in Florida, Obama said that the economic crisis makes the planned Friday debate in Mississippi—the first of three scheduled presidential matchups—"more important than ever."

"It's my belief that this is exactly the time that the American people need to hear from the person who in approximately 40 days will be responsible for dealing with this mess," Obama said. "It's going to be part of the president's job to deal with more than one thing at once." He demurred when asked by reporters whether McCain's move was a political ploy.

Rogers was among those questioning what McCain can actually do when he heads back to the nation's capital. "The sentiment on the Hill is that by 3 o'clock Saturday afternoon, a package is going to pass," he said. "It's going to be unpopular but probably necessary. And I don't know what McCain is going to do when he comes back here--he really doesn't have any jurisdictional authority over this matter."

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news...ain-suspends-campaign-shocks-republicans.html

I really think that a debate is needed, I can't believe how close we are to election day.
 
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  • #279
LowlyPion said:
Not that many here.

Though perhaps it's not the quantity that carries the perception of such weight?
And modest to boot. :wink:
 
  • #280
Obama says that he will be at the debate, with or without McCain, and if McCain does not show up, he will answer questions from the moderator and/or from the crowd, town-hall style. McCain still won't commit to the debate, but if he does not show up, Obama gets a lengthy network-televised show in which to lay out his ideas, and McCain will only be able to counter-attack from afar and after the fact.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/candidates_financial_meltdown;_ylt=AtxtKwjzfEmQdsS6ZuET9ESs0NUE
 
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  • #281
Evo said:
And modest to boot. :wink:

Humble too.

I am but a lowly pion.
 
  • #282
Yahoo_via_Evo said:
But it can also be seen as a transparent political ploy, when he could just as easily appear at the debate, insist the discussion be all about the economy, and talk this through with Obama." The adviser's prediction: It will play out as a political ploy.

That's what I'd figure too.

The campaign is a moving target.

He can't aim for where it is. He has to aim where it's going to be.

He's demonstrated really poor skills dealing with the issues of the economy. Dealing with the tactics of the campaign. All he's succeeded in doing is make Obama look more Presidential, and Obama is supposed to be the one with less experience. With a blindfold on I'd think it was McCain that's acted the rookie.
 
  • #283
"It's my belief that this is exactly the time that the American people need to hear from the person who in approximately 40 days will be responsible for dealing with this mess," Obama said. "It's going to be part of the president's job to deal with more than one thing at once."
Hmmm. I can see Obama is quite eager to start the job. However, the next president will be elected in 40 days, but he will not assume the office until Jan 20, 2009, which is 117 days away. :biggrin:

Until then GW Bush is still on watch.
 
  • #284
Astronuc said:
Hmmm. I can see Obama is quite eager to start the job. However, the next president will be elected in 40 days, but he will not assume the office until Jan 20, 2009, which is 117 days away. :biggrin:

Until then GW Bush is still on watch.

I caught that as well. And note that he even hestitated for a second when he said it.

The fact is that on Nov 5th, the President Elect will be actively engaged.

However, it you are all agreeable, I think we should let Obama take over on Nov 5th.

All opposed?
...
...
The motion passes.
 
  • #285
Ivan Seeking said:
I caught that as well. And note that he even hestitated for a second when he said it.

The fact is that on Nov 5th, the President Elect will be actively engaged.

However, it you are all agreeable, I think we should let Obama take over on Nov 5th.

All opposed?
...
...
The motion passes.

Too bad it can't be earlier.
 
  • #286
Obama was right-on. About 40 days from now, either he or McCain will be responsible for dealing with the mess left by W. While the president-elect will not have the authority to deal with the mess at the official level, you can bet your buttons that they will be meeting with advisers, getting briefings, and devising strategies to deal with the problem(s) that they will face. They certainly shouldn't be cooling their heels in the interim.
 
  • #287
I saw a new ad today, not by the Obama campaign, but apparently a PAC, describing the dangers of skin cancer, and that McCain has had 4 bouts with it, and requesting that John McCain release his medical records, because his chances at survival, if it has spread beyond the skin is very poor. If it has and he is elected, apparently there would be a President Palin.

But apparently McCain has refused.
 
  • #288
Apparently McCain is trying to steal the show - grandstanding with misrepresentation - and it's upsetting a few Republican/conservatives.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080925/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_s_gambit
WASHINGTON - Sen. John McCain's self-portrait as a bold leader willing to set politics aside to save an endangered financial bailout plan took a pounding Thursday from top Democrats and even some fellow Republicans.

His efforts to re-energize his presidential campaign will partly turn on who wins the public relations battle, destined to play out for days.

Top Democrats in Congress ridiculed McCain's claim Wednesday that negotiations were going nowhere, necessitating his hasty return to Washington to intervene while suspending his campaign.

"It was somewhat stunning" to receive McCain's phone call with that message, said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. Talks were proceeding fine without him, Reid said.

Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the chief House Democrat on the bill, said, "all of a sudden, now that we are on the verge of making a deal, John McCain airdrops himself to help us make the deal."

Even the House's Republican leader, John Boehner of Ohio, passed up a chance to praise McCain's leadership powers shortly before the two men met in the Capitol at midday Thursday. Asked by reporters if McCain could help win House Republican votes for the proposed package, Boehner shrugged and said, "Who knows?"

Other Republicans gave McCain more credit. "They got something done this morning only because McCain came back," said Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C. But DeMint later called the proposal "a trillion-dollar Band-Aid that does not contain a single item that will stimulate our economy."

President Bush's biggest worry is House Republicans, many of whom seemed unimpressed Thursday with McCain's heightened interest. Several said it was essential that both McCain and his Democratic opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, back the bailout plan together.

So McCain starts making up stories about the plan and negotiations about which he knows nothing and tries to sideline everyone.

Johnny-come-lately, shame, shame, shame!
 
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  • #289
My theory is he pulled in a favor from John Boenher on the House Finance Committee to stall things long enough to give him some cover.

Obama isn't going to have to shoot at hapless John McCain over this, because it looks like he is getting incoming fire from lots of directions.
 
  • #290
CNN said:
Bailout talks in disarray
Democrats say they reached bipartisan agreement on set of principles, but House Republicans balk. White House meeting described as 'contentious.'
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/25/news/economy/deal_reached/index.htm?postversion=2008092513

Looks like political sabotage in order to desperately seek office.

The country be damned? Getting McCain elected is more important?

Maybe throw all the Republican bums out.
 
  • #291
Dubious Claims in Obama’s Ads Against McCain, Despite Vow of Truth
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/us/politics/26ads.html
ROANOKE, Va. — Two weeks ago, Senator Barack Obama’s presidential campaign gleefully publicized a spate of news reports about misleading and untruthful statements in the advertisements of his rival, Senator John McCain. Asked by a voter in New Hampshire if he would respond in kind, Mr. Obama said, “I just have a different philosophy, I’m going to respond with the truth,” adding, “I’m not going to start making up lies about John McCain.”

Yet as Mr. McCain’s misleading advertisements became fodder on shows like “The View” and “Saturday Night Live,” Mr. Obama began his own run of advertisements on radio and television that have matched the dubious nature of Mr. McCain’s more questionable spots.

A radio advertisement running in Wisconsin and other contested states misleadingly reports that Mr. McCain “has stood in the way of” federal financing for stem cell research; Mr. McCain did once oppose such federally supported research but broke with President Bush to consistently support it starting in 2001 (his running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, does not support it).

. . . .


Obama needs to put a stop to this!
 
  • #292
Astronuc said:
Dubious Claims in Obama’s Ads Against McCain, Despite Vow of Truth
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/us/politics/26ads.html
Obama needs to put a stop to this!
It's possibly quite a clever ploy. Maybe it's intended to put McCain on the spot. If he denounces the ad as a lie it draws the attention of the right wing of his party to the fact he supports stem cell research and so alienates a key section of his electorate?
 
  • #293
This just in.

McCain blinked.

He will be at the debate this evening.
 
  • #294
Art said:
It's possibly quite a clever ploy. Maybe it's intended to put McCain on the spot. If he denounces the ad as a lie it draws the attention of the right wing of his party to the fact he supports stem cell research and so alienates a key section of his electorate?
Obama and McCain can call each other out on the issues without making up stuff. It's just not right to misrepresent the other guy. I don't care for negative campaigning or political rhetoric from either side.
 
  • #295
Astronuc said:
Obama and McCain can call each other out on the issues without making up stuff. It's just not right to misrepresent the other guy. I don't care for negative campaigning or political rhetoric from either side.
I agree with you, I don't care for it either. I was more making the point that there might be another dimension to this ad rather than it just being a blatant lie.
 
  • #296
Astronuc said:
Obama and McCain can call each other out on the issues without making up stuff. It's just not right to misrepresent the other guy. I don't care for negative campaigning or political rhetoric from either side.

Early on this was the tone of the campaign. Both McCain and Obama sounded very high minded. I agree that it is disappointing that the mud buckets have been broken out. But sadly this is the recourse of whoever is behind to go negative.

While I am sure that both would have gone negative at the margins at some point, I feel like the beginning of the shift from high minded issues started from the selection of the policy lightweight Palin.
 
  • #298
Given their ability to foretell the future perhaps comments emanating from McCain's campaign should be posted in the Nostradamus thread in GD :biggrin: Given how McCain talks in riddles he would fit in well there.
 
  • #299
Art said:
Given their ability to foretell the future perhaps comments emanating from McCain's campaign should be posted in the Nostradamus thread in GD :biggrin: Given how McCain talks in riddles he would fit in well there.
:smile:
 

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