What are the Lines of Symmetry in a Tetrahedron?

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The discussion revolves around finding the volume of a tetrahedron defined by three mutually perpendicular faces and edges of lengths 3 cm, 4 cm, and 5 cm. Participants are exploring various methods to calculate the volume, including integration and geometric approaches.

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  • Participants discuss using integration to find the volume by calculating the area of triangular cross-sections at different heights. There are attempts to derive the area in terms of different variables (x and y) and to apply the formula for the volume of a pyramid. Some participants question the correctness of their methods and the assumptions made in their calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct interpretation of variables in the context of the problem, but there is no explicit consensus on the best method to solve it.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the setup of the problem, particularly in how to define the dimensions and relationships of the triangular cross-sections. Participants are also grappling with the implications of using different variables for their calculations.

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Find the volume of "A tetrahedron with three mutually perpendicular faces and three mutually perpendicular edges with lengths 3 cm, 4 cm, and 5cm."

This is how I visualized it:
http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/9466/calculus31re.th.jpg

The area of a triangle along the x-axis is:
A(x) = .5 * x * (3/5x), 3/5x is from similar triangles.
A(x) = 3/10 * x2
[tex]V = \int^{5}_{0} A(x) dx = \frac{3}{10} \int^{5}_{0} x^2 dx<br /> = \frac{1}{10} [x^3]^{5}_{0}<br /> = 12.5 cm^3[/tex]
But the answer is 10 cm3. Why doesn't my method work?
 
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Right now your dx is wrong. It corresponds to a change in the length of the short side of the triangluar slice, where as it should be the thickness of the slice, which is dy. You need to find dx/dy, the change in the length of this side for a change in height y.
 
The area of a right triangle is A=b*h/2, where b=base, h=height
In your diagram, slice through your tetrahedron with a plane passing through a given x value (the shape made by this is a right triangle whose right angle has its corner on the x-axis). The height of that triangle is
h=4(1-x/5) since the line that connects the vetricies on the y-axis and the x-axis is y/4+x/5=1; the base of that right triangle is b=3(1-x/5), since the line that connects the vetricies on the x-axis and the z-axis is
z/3+x/5=1; hence the cross-sectional area is A(x)=3(1-x/5)*4(1-x/5)/2
simplified this gives A(x)=6(1-x/5)^2, so the volume is

[tex]6\int_{0}^{5}\left( 1-\frac{x}{5}\right) ^2dx =10[/tex]
 
Would it not be easier to do that using a triple scalar product ( [itex]V = \frac{1}{6}a \cdot (b \times c)[/itex] ), where a, b and c are the vectors of the sides?
 
benorin said:
The area of a right triangle is A=b*h/2, where b=base, h=height
In your diagram, slice through your tetrahedron with a plane passing through a given x value (the shape made by this is a right triangle whose right angle has its corner on the x-axis). The height of that triangle is
h=4(1-x/5) since the line that connects the vetricies on the y-axis and the x-axis is y/4+x/5=1; the base of that right triangle is b=3(1-x/5), since the line that connects the vetricies on the x-axis and the z-axis is
z/3+x/5=1; hence the cross-sectional area is A(x)=3(1-x/5)*4(1-x/5)/2
simplified this gives A(x)=6(1-x/5)^2, so the volume is

[tex]6\int_{0}^{5}\left( 1-\frac{x}{5}\right) ^2dx =10[/tex]
This works...
If I used a triangle perpendicular to the y-axis (along the x and z axes), then it seems like I would have to find the area in terms of y, right? But why doesn't finding the area in terms of x work?
 
x is never the height nor base of any right triangle form by slicing that tetra hedron by a plane parallell to one of the coordinate planes.
 
You can check your answer by noting that the volume of a pyramid is 1/3 the area of its base times its height.
 
benorin said:
The area of a right triangle is A=b*h/2, where b=base, h=height
In your diagram, slice through your tetrahedron with a plane passing through a given x value (the shape made by this is a right triangle whose right angle has its corner on the x-axis). The height of that triangle is
h=4(1-x/5) since the line that connects the vetricies on the y-axis and the x-axis is y/4+x/5=1; the base of that right triangle is b=3(1-x/5), since the line that connects the vetricies on the x-axis and the z-axis is
z/3+x/5=1; hence the cross-sectional area is A(x)=3(1-x/5)*4(1-x/5)/2
simplified this gives A(x)=6(1-x/5)^2, so the volume is

[tex]6\int_{0}^{5}\left( 1-\frac{x}{5}\right) ^2dx =10[/tex]

Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but I can't figure out why the line y/4+x/5=1 or the line z/3+x/5=1 are equal to 1?
 

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