What are the solutions to the complex polynomial equation ##z^3+3i\bar z=0##?

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The discussion revolves around finding solutions to the complex polynomial equation z^3 + 3i conjugate(z) = 0. Participants explore various methods, including substituting z with its polar form and analyzing the magnitudes and angles of both sides of the equation. They derive that the magnitude of z must equal √3 and discuss the implications of the phase angles, leading to multiple potential solutions. The conversation highlights the complexity introduced by the conjugate term, which complicates the degree of the polynomial. Ultimately, the solutions include z = 0 and other values expressed in trigonometric form.
  • #51
SammyS said:
How did you come up with that equation?

What is 0 + 4a2b2 ?

That's what you should have on the right hand side. The left hand side should be a4-2a2b2-b4. Right?
a^4-2a^2b^2+b^4 =4a^2b^2 ==> (a^2-b^2)^2 = 4a^2b^2
taking root of both sides ==> a^2-b^2 = 2ab
 
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  • #52
Dank2 said:
a^4-2a^2b^2+b^4 =4a^2b^2 ==> (a^2-b^2)^2 = 4a^2b^2
taking root of both sides ==> a^2-b^2 = 2ab
Oh! OK. That is correct.

Now solve for a in terms of b.
 
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  • #53
SammyS said:
Oh! OK. That is correct.

Now solve for a in terms of b.
How do i do that. a(a-2b) = b^2 ==> a = b^2 over (a-2b)
 
  • #54
Dank2 said:
How do i do that. a(a-2b) = b^2 ==> a = b^2 over (a-2b)
It's a quadratic equation.

Complete the square or use the quadratic formula.

To complete the square, add 2b2 to ##\ a^2-2ab -b^2 = 0 \ . ##

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Also notice that the equation should be
##\ a^2\pm 2ab -b^2 = 0 \ . ##​
 
  • #55
SammyS said:
It's a quadratic equation.

Complete the square or use the quadratic formula.

To complete the square, add 2b2 to ##\ a^2-2ab -b^2 = 0 \ . ##

Added in Edit:
Also notice that the equation should be
##\ a^2\pm 2ab -b^2 = 0 \ . ##​
So, a^2-2ab+b^2 = 2b^2, should i solve only left hand side?
 
  • #56
SammyS said:
It's a quadratic equation.

Complete the square or use the quadratic formula.

To complete the square, add 2b2 to ##\ a^2-2ab -b^2 = 0 \ . ##
No. (How is it even possible to solve only one side of an equation?)

Take the square root of bot sides.

Don't forget the ' ± ' .

 
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  • #57
SammyS said:
No. (How is it even possible to solve only one side of an equation?)

Take the square root of bot sides.

Don't forget the ' ± ' .

why +-
 
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  • #58
Dank2 said:
why +-
Really?

You got it from taking the square root of both sides of some equation. Does that ring a bell?
 
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  • #59
i have got 6 solutions for z , what's the answer?
 
  • #60
Sahil Kukreja said:
i have got 6 solutions for z , what's the answer?
See message #41 4 solutions.
 
  • #61
Sahil Kukreja said:
i have got 6 solutions for z , what's the answer?
There are 5 solutions. How did you get 6?
z= 0
√3(cos3/8pi + isin 3/8pi)
√3(cos7/8pi + isin 7/8pi)
√3(cos11/8pi+isin11/8pi)
√3(cos15/8pi+isin15/8pi)
 
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  • #62
ehild said:
There are 5 solutions. How did you get 6?
z= 0
√3(cos3/8pi + isin 3/8pi)
√3(cos7/8pi + isin 7/8pi)
√3(cos11/8pi+isin11/8pi)
√3(cos15/8pi+isin15/8pi)
i might have made a mistake, i will solve again
 
  • #63
yes there are 5 solns
converting in principal form
z=0
z=√3e^(i3pi/8)
z=√3e^(i7pi/8)
z=√3e^(-i5pi/8)
z=√3e^(-ipi/8)
 
  • #64
This is a very nice exercise, with, as seen in the thread, a number of ways to solve it.

One way to relatively easily see that there will be five solutions is as follows:

##z³+ 3i\bar z=0##
⇒ ##z³ =-3i\bar z##
⇒ ##|z|³ =3|z|##
##z=0## is a solution, so from now on assume ##z \neq 0##.
Dividing by ##|z|##, we get ##|z|²=3##, or ##|z|=\sqrt 3##.

Now, multiplying the original equation by ##z## gives ##z^4+3i\bar z z=0##
But ##z^4+3i\bar z z= z^4 + 3i|z|²=z^4+9i##.
So finally, the non zero roots of the original equation are the (4) roots of ##z^4=-9i##.
 
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  • #65
Samy_A said:
This is a very nice exercise, with, as seen in the thread, a number of ways to solve it.

One way to relatively easily see that there will be five solutions is as follows:

##z³+ 3i\bar z=0##
⇒ ##z³ =-3i\bar z##
⇒ ##|z|³ =3|z|##
##z=0## is a solution, so from now on assume ##z \neq 0##.
Dividing by ##|z|##, we get ##|z|²=3##, or ##|z|=\sqrt 3##.

Now, multiplying the original equation by ##z## gives ##z^4+3i\bar z z=0##
But ##z^4+3i\bar z z= z^4 + 3i|z|²=z^4+9i##.
So finally, the non zero roots of the original equation are the (4) roots of ##z^4=-9i##.
That made it really simple :)
 
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