What are the ways we can search for alien life?

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The discussion revolves around the search for alien life, exploring various methods and theories regarding the existence of life beyond Earth. Participants examine both the potential for extraterrestrial life in our solar system and beyond, as well as the challenges associated with detecting such life.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that searching for atmospheric signatures, particularly oxygen, on exoplanets could indicate the presence of life.
  • Others highlight the absence of evidence for extraterrestrial intelligence (ETI) and note that the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) focuses on radio signals, despite uncertainty about the technologies used by potential ETs.
  • One participant mentions that astronomers have analyzed infrared signatures of galaxies for signs of advanced civilizations but found nothing unusual.
  • There is a belief among some that life could exist on icy moons in our solar system, with discussions about the potential for primitive life in subsurface oceans on moons like Europa and Enceladus.
  • Concerns are raised about the survivability of life on other planets, with Mars being the only candidate that might support life under specific conditions.
  • Some participants argue that the lack of evidence does not equate to the absence of life, while others maintain that the conditions on most planets are hostile to carbon-based life.
  • Discussions include the role of Earth's atmosphere and magnetic field in protecting life, with differing views on their importance in relation to radiation exposure.
  • There is a debate over the interpretation of organic molecules found in space, with some considering them a good first indicator of potential habitability, while others caution against overinterpreting their significance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of views, with some agreeing on the potential for life in specific locations (like Mars and certain moons), while others remain skeptical about the existence of intelligent life in the solar system. The discussion reflects ongoing disagreements about the implications of current evidence and the conditions necessary for life.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in current knowledge, including the challenges of detecting life and the uncertainties surrounding the conditions required for life to exist. There are also unresolved discussions regarding the interpretation of atmospheric and organic evidence.

  • #61
DaveC426913 said:
It would not be a good example.
God is, by nature, beyond science. A being detectable only if and how he chooses is beyond the scope of both scientific analysis and this forum.
I think he was not referring to gods in a religious sense, but more in the sense of a creature so advanced they appear to us as a god. Q from Star Trek for example.

In fact, I don't think you need to even go that far, I would think a species only a thousand years in our future would be able to walk the Earth undetected fairly easily, I would think a creature that evolved has surpassed the technological singularity and entered a post-biological civilization. I see no reason a conscious computer with robot building abilities of 1000 years from now would be in any way distinguishable than the person sitting next to you... How do you know they aren't?

Unfortunately, I think a creatures ability to disguise itself will inherently come out of their progress. They'll probably have to fight wars, misdirection is critical to any war, regardless of species.
 
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Most planets have an atmosphere. Even pluto has one.
 
  • #63
Monsterboy said:
You are talking about that alien structures thing right ?
Did you read the paper? The authors suggest many possible ideas what could cause this light curve. What do they say about alien structures?
Those are not mentioned at all. Not even with a single word.
This may not work in that case but this was actually a general question whether such an orbit might help us detect more number of exoplanets.
It doesn't help. Take the ideal conditions - an Earth-like planet around Alpha Centauri. The half-shadow of this planet is a cone with an opening angle of 0.0046. We have to be within this cone. Voyager has a viewing angle that differs by 0.0004, that is 1/10 this value. A Kepler-like telescope at the distance of the Voyager probes would increase the change to find that planet by a few percent (I guess 3, but didn't calculate it in detail). At least if we ignore all other issues, like the tiny data transfer rate, the limited lifetime of Kepler (~5 years, we need 40!) and so on. Star #10 ranked by distance is 8 light years away, the additional discovery potential there drops to something like 1.5%, and before we reach star #50 the effect is below 1%.

Compare that with simply launching a second Kepler close to Earth: Kepler watched about 1/400 of the whole sky. A second telescope can watch a different patch, and double the discovery rate (assuming data analysis can keep up with it).
Even better: Send a telescope that can observe more stars than Kepler did. Or, send more than one.

NASA works on TESS, roughly 3 times the number of stars Kepler watched, with a focus on bright stars nearby.
ESA is planning PLATO, it will observe 7 times the number of stars Kepler watched, over a much larger area in the sky so it can focus on brighter (and closer) stars as well.
CHEOS is another ESA spacecraft , with a focus on accurate radius measurements for planets that have been discovered before.
 
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