What Calculus Concepts Are Tested in These Sample Problems?

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The discussion revolves around calculus concepts, specifically focusing on area under curves and the analysis of functions using derivatives. Participants are exploring problems related to finding areas, determining critical points, and analyzing the behavior of functions based on their derivatives.

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  • Participants discuss how to find the value of k that divides a region into equal areas using integrals. There is uncertainty about the initial steps required to set up the problem.
  • In analyzing the function f(x)=x^3 - 6x^2 + p, participants raise questions about using the first derivative to find relative extrema and express confusion about the analysis required.
  • Some participants suggest examining the sign of the first derivative around critical points as a method for classification, while others mention the second derivative as a simpler approach.
  • There is a lack of clarity regarding the conditions under which the function has three distinct real roots, with some participants unsure how to proceed.
  • Questions are raised about finding the average value of the function over a specified interval, with participants seeking guidance on the relevant expression.

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Sorry for so many questions, I'm just trying to understand everything before my test coming up soon.

1. Let R be the region in the first quadrant under the graph of y=1/sqrt(x) for
4<=x<=9.

a) If the line x=k divides the region R into two regions of equal area, what is the value of k?
My thoughts: For this one, I know how to find the area of R, but I don't know how to start finding the line that divides the region into multiple parts of equal area.

2. Let f be a function given by f(x)=x^3 - 6x^2 + p, where p is an arbitrary constant.

a) Write an expression for f '(x) and use it to find the relative maximum and minimum values of f in terms of p. Show the analysis that leads to your conclusion.
My thoughts: f '(x) = 3x^2 - 12x. Setting this equal to 0 and solving for x gives: x=0, 4. These are critical points, and I know that to find max/min points I need to look at second derivative. But here it says just use first derivative? I'm also not sure what to write for analysis part.

b) For what values of the constant p does f have 3 distinct real roots?
I don't have any thoughts on this one :frown:

c) Find the value of p such that the average value of f over the closed interval [-1, 2] is 1.
 
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Gauss177 said:
1. Let R be the region in the first quadrant under the graph of y=1/sqrt(x) for
4<=x<=9.
From the question you know that;

[tex]\int_{4}^{k}\frac{dx}{\sqrt{x}} = \int_{k}^{9}\frac{dx}{\sqrt{x}}[/tex]

Do you follow?

Gauss177 said:
2. Let f be a function given by f(x)=x^3 - 6x^2 + p, where p is an arbitrary constant.

a) Write an expression for f '(x) and use it to find the relative maximum and minimum values of f in terms of p. Show the analysis that leads to your conclusion.
My thoughts: f '(x) = 3x^2 - 12x. Setting this equal to 0 and solving for x gives: x=0, 4. These are critical points, and I know that to find max/min points I need to look at second derivative. But here it says just use first derivative? I'm also not sure what to write for analysis part.
Consider the gradient either side of your local extrema, more specifically look at the sign of the gradient (i.e. +ve or -ve). What can this tell you about the local extrema?
Gauss177 said:
b) For what values of the constant p does f have 3 distinct real roots?
I don't have any thoughts on this one :frown:
Factorise the cubic as see where it takes you (take a factor of x2 out)...
Gauss177 said:
c) Find the value of p such that the average value of f over the closed interval [-1, 2] is 1.
Do you know the expression for the average of a function?
 
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Gauss177 said:
Sorry for so many questions, I'm just trying to understand everything before my test coming up soon.

1. Let R be the region in the first quadrant under the graph of y=1/sqrt(x) for
4<=x<=9.

a) If the line x=k divides the region R into two regions of equal area, what is the value of k?
My thoughts: For this one, I know how to find the area of R, but I don't know how to start finding the line that divides the region into multiple parts of equal area.

We want two equal areas, so perform the following integral.
[tex] \int_4^k\frac{dx}{\sqrt x}=\int_k^9\frac{dx}{\sqrt x}[/tex]


2. Let f be a function given by f(x)=x^3 - 6x^2 + p, where p is an arbitrary constant.

a) Write an expression for f '(x) and use it to find the relative maximum and minimum values of f in terms of p. Show the analysis that leads to your conclusion.
My thoughts: f '(x) = 3x^2 - 12x. Setting this equal to 0 and solving for x gives: x=0, 4. These are critical points, and I know that to find max/min points I need to look at second derivative. But here it says just use first derivative? I'm also not sure what to write for analysis part.

You need to take the second derivative in order to classify the critical points.

b) For what values of the constant p does f have 3 distinct real roots?
I don't have any thoughts on this one :frown:

Look at the discriminant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_equation under the section "the nature of the roots"

c) Find the value of p such that the average value of f over the closed interval [-1, 2] is 1.

Any thoughts?

edit: late
 
cristo said:
You need to take the second derivative in order to classify the critical points.
I beg to differ there. Once can classify local extrema by examining the sign of the first derivative either side of the critical point.
 
Hootenanny said:
I beg to differ there. Once can classify local extrema by examining the sign of the first derivative either side of the critical point.

Apologies, of course you can. I really meant that, in my opinion, in order to classify the critical points, it is simpler to take the second derivative.
 

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