What can make a string massless?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of strings in string theory, particularly focusing on what determines whether a string has mass or is massless. Participants explore concepts related to string vibrations, mass generation, and the implications of these properties within theoretical frameworks.

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  • Some participants question the current state of string theory, suggesting it may not be fully developed to answer the question of mass in strings.
  • It is proposed that the energy of a string's vibrations correlates with its mass, with higher frequencies leading to higher mass.
  • A participant suggests that a massless string does not "become" massless but rather has vibrations that do not manifest mass properties.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of negative mass squared for a string with no vibration, linking it to quantum mechanics and tachyons.
  • One participant discusses a mathematical expression related to string excitations, indicating that the n=0 mode corresponds to a massless particle.
  • There is mention of gauge bosons needing to be massless and the implications of gauge invariance in field theories, including a reference to the Higgs mechanism.

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Participants express varying views on the nature of massless strings and the implications of string vibrations. There is no consensus on the fundamental nature of mass in strings, and multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

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What makes some strings have mass, and others none? (eg. graviton vs. electron)
 
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I am completely ignorant about string theory. However I am under the impression that the theory has not been developed to the point where anyone can answer your question.
 
It's determined by the energy in the vibrations, the higher the frequency, the higher the mass.
 
So a massless string has no vibration at all?
 
Kevin_Axion, you didn't really answer my question, how can a string become massless?
 
A string does not "become" massless. Mass is one (of several) resultant properties of a string's vibrations.

i.e.: Some strings vibrate in a fashion such that they manifest a property of mass, whereas some vibrate so that they do not manifest a property of mass.
 
http://superstringtheory.com/basics/basic5a.html

this should answer your questions. The basic principle is how the certain modes of the one dimensional string behave under the group symmetries such as E(8)xE(8) which allows us to identify how the different modes of the string behave as particles i.e being a fermion or a boson. The main answer basically about the mass is the group being used which is most likely these days G2's exceptional 8 x exceptional 8 built from the octonian generators.
 
Okay, I see now. Thanks guys.
 
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So a massless string has no vibration at all?
Not really. A string with no vibration at all actually has a NEGATIVE mass squared. This perhaps counterintuitive fact can only be understood through quantum mechanics of strings. In supesymmetric string theory such a no-vibration mode of string is unphysical, so the next lowest (first physical) mode of vibration is massless.
 
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Yeah, a string with negative mass squared is a tachyon, right? And supersymmetry was made to avoid that problem, correct?
 
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Sorry for the delay, I was waiting for a response from a string theorist I was talking to:

"Sorry for the delayed reply, I have been trying to think of the best way to explain it. What you end up getting is what is known as a tower of excitations, simply put

[itex]m^2 = (\frac{n\pi}{L})^2[/itex]

Where L is a length related to compactification, ie its a small number and n=0,+/- 1,+/-2... so that its the n=0 mode that gives you a massless particle in string theory. This isn't anything fundamental though.
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In general we require gauge bosons to be massless, regardless if we are doing String Theory, GR, or any other field theory. Consider E&M, its Lagrangian density is

[itex]\mathcal{L}=F ^{\mu\nu} F_{\mu\nu}[/itex]

Where F is the field strength tensor

[itex]F_{\mu\nu}= \partial_\mu A_\nu-\partial_\nu A_\mu[/itex]

After some algebra you get

[itex]F_{\mu\nu} F^{\nu\mu}=\partial_\mu A_\nu \partial ^\mu A ^\nu -\partial_\nu A_\mu \partial ^\mu A ^\nu[/itex]

Schematically this is just

[itex]F ^2 = (\nabla A) ^2[/itex]

Which looks like part of the lagrangian that leads to the Klein Gordon equation. The crucial part that it is missing is the m2 A2 term. What happens if we put that in by hand? Its not good. A is the Gauge field, its the photon when we quantize the theory. Since its the gauge field it must obey gauge symmetry, for abelian fields this means that the lagrangian must be invariant under the transformation

[itex]A_\mu\rightarrow A_\mu -\partial_\mu f[/itex]

where f is an arbitrary function. When we add a mass term to our original lagrangian it loses gauge invariance, therefore all gauge fields, by definition, have to be massless. The higgs mechanism allows a way around this for low energies, but that is another discussion entirely."
 
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kcajrenreb said:
Yeah, a string with negative mass squared is a tachyon, right? And supersymmetry was made to avoid that problem, correct?
Right.
 

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