What caused a rainbow near the setting sun?

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The discussion revolves around the observation of a partial rainbow seen near the setting sun, exploring the possible atmospheric phenomena that could explain this occurrence. Participants consider various optical effects related to halos and sundogs, as well as the specific conditions under which the rainbow was observed.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes seeing a partial rainbow with all seven colors visible, located about 30 degrees north of the setting sun, which faded as the sun set.
  • Another participant suggests checking a PF Insights article for similar visual phenomena, questioning if the observed rainbow resembled any documented examples.
  • A participant proposes that the observed phenomenon could be a 22° halo, referencing external resources for further information on atmospheric optics.
  • Some participants mention the possibility of a glory or a sundog, with one noting that the colors appeared differently than expected, prompting a reevaluation of their initial interpretation.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the characteristics of sundogs, indicating that their memory may have influenced their description of the observed colors.
  • A later reply includes a reference to a lunar version of the 22° halo, illustrating similar atmospheric effects under different conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of the observed phenomenon, with suggestions including a 22° halo, sundogs, and glories. No consensus is reached on the exact cause of the observed rainbow.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the specific conditions of the observation, including the position of the sun and the presence of clouds, which may influence the interpretation of the visual effects. There is also mention of potential misinterpretations based on memory.

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About a half-hour before sunset I saw part of a rainbow extending upwards from the horizon about 10 degrees. All seven colors from red to violet were visible from left to right, but they were somewhat faded out. What caused this partial rainbow which I saw about 30 degrees north of the setting sun? As the sun set, the rainbow gradually faded out completely.

The setting sun itself was quite a sight also. Unfortunately I am not a photographer. I do not even know how to take a picture with my cell phone.

A red-golden sun started out about ten degrees above the horizon. Above was a dark gray cloud bank extending from abut 60 degrees south of the sun to about 20 degrees north of the sun. Below the dark clouds were lines of thin golden clouds extending out radially from the direction of the sun.
 
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anorlunda said:
Did it look like a partial view of any of those?
Hi @anorlunda:

Thanks for your interesting post. What I saw did not resemble any of the photos in the article you cited. The odd characteristic of what I saw was the rainbow colors near the sun, only about 30 degrees away. All other rainbows I have ever seen had an azimuth about 160-180 degrees away from the sun.

Regards,
Buzz
 
Buzz Bloom said:
About a half-hour before sunset I saw part of a rainbow extending upwards from the horizon about 10 degrees. All seven colors from red to violet were visible from left to right, but they were somewhat faded out. What caused this partial rainbow which I saw about 30 degrees north of the setting sun?

It's hard to say for certain, but from your description it could have been a 22° Halo:

http://www.atoptics.co.uk/halo/common.htm
http://www.atoptics.co.uk/halo/mdisp6.htm
http://www.atoptics.co.uk/rainbows/notabow.htm

But there are other, less common, atmospheric effects as well- atoptics is a great site.
 
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Hi @anorlunda and @Andy Resnick:

Thank you both for your responses. It seems likely that a partial 22 degree halo (the lower part near the horizon near sunset) is what I saw, except that as I remember it, red was closest to the sun rather than away. However, my memory could be playing tricks with me. I am going to have to learn how to take pictures with my cell phone.

EDIT
I previously misread the description at the atoptics site. It says:
Each 'dog' is red coloured towards the sun.​
So what I saw was probably a sundog.

Regards,
Buzz
 
Buzz Bloom said:
So what I saw was probably a sundog.
Now it is my turn to thank you. I missed sun dogs in the Insights article, so I just went back and added a new passage and a new picture to the article.

Very bright sun dogs in Fargo, North Dakota. Also visible are parts of the 22° halo (the arcs passing through each sundog), a sun pillar (the vertical line) and the parhelic circle (the horizontal line).

Fargo_Sundogs_2_18_09.jpg
 
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Here's a lunar version:

DSC_2395_zps9cytqiql.jpg


The 22° halo is clearly visible, there's also a moondog (paraselene) and a bit of the paraselenic circle.
 

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