What Causes a Magnetic Field in a Wire?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the question of what causes a magnetic field in a wire, particularly in the context of electric current and its relationship to magnetism. Participants explore theoretical explanations, the role of moving charges, and the implications of special relativity on the understanding of magnetic fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the fundamental cause of the magnetic field generated by electric current, questioning why moving charge creates this field and its importance for understanding magnetism.
  • Another participant explains that electrons flow through the wire and create a magnetic field, suggesting that this understanding may not be crucial unless one is studying physics at a higher level.
  • A participant seeks a deeper explanation of how the interaction between electric charge and the aligned field within ferromagnetic materials contributes to the creation of a magnetic field.
  • One response proposes that a magnetic field can be understood through Coulomb's law and special relativity, although it is uncertain if this will aid in understanding the original question.
  • Another participant elaborates that moving electrons experience length contraction from a different frame of reference, which can make the wire appear electrically charged, thus influencing the magnetic field.
  • A later reply indicates appreciation for the more complex explanation involving special relativity, despite the respondent's lack of familiarity with the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the fundamental cause of the magnetic field in a wire, with multiple competing views and levels of understanding expressed throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some responses reference advanced concepts such as special relativity and Coulomb's law, which may introduce additional complexity and assumptions that are not fully explored in the discussion.

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I'm learning about magnetism in my physics course, and we talked about Hans Christian Oersted's experiment where he observed electric current passing through a wire and analyzed the movement of a compass around this wire. He discovered that a magnetic field is generated by this current passing through the wire. But I'm confused about how exactly this magnetic field is generated though, we're told to just accept it. But it really irritates me. What exactly causes it? Why does moving charge create this field? Why does charge have to move through a solenoid or a wire to create this field? Is it important towards my understanding of magnetism?
 
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Well, basically the electrons contain a charge and flow through the wire. When you wrap a wire around something like an iron nail and hook the wire up to a battery, the electrons flow through and create a magnetic field. You can read more detail about it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnet#Physics but for a basic understanding of magnetism it's not incredibly important unless your studying physics in University or really want to know what's going on (which is probably helpful with understanding the basic stuff as well). I think the link will answer your question better then I can.
 
but HOW does that interaction create a magnetic field? What you've told me is what my professor told us, the link explains electromagnets but I didn't read it thoroughly enough to see if it answers my question. It's the interaction between electric charge flowing through a wire and the aligned field within the iron, I suppose because it's ferromagnetic? I'm still looking for something deeper, I wonder if it's more of a chemical thing
 
A magnetic field can be understood as a consequence of Coulombs law in conjunction with special relativity.

I am not sure if that will actually help you understand anything, but it seemed to be the kind of response you were asking for.
 
The underlying explanation involves a few concepts from Special Relativity. A full understanding would require you to understand SR completely, but the basic idea is that the moving electrons are length contracted when seen from a frame of reference that is in motion relative to the circuit. This length contraction makes the wire look like it is electrically charged, which will attract or repulse electric charges.

You can see the following link for more information, but be warned, it is not easy to understand completely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_electromagnetism
 
this is much more of the kind of response I'm looking for, although I don't know an ounce of SR. It helps to give me another direction to search, thank you.
 

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