What Causes a Sledge to Accelerate on Rails in Physics?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem concerning the acceleration of a sledge on rails, specifically focusing on fictitious forces and the resulting motion described by differential equations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the nature of the fictitious force causing acceleration, with one suggesting centrifugal force. There is discussion about integrating acceleration to find displacement, with confusion arising over the presence of the variable r in the equations. Some participants question the assumption of constant acceleration and consider alternative forms for r.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing insights into the mathematical treatment of the problem. Some have offered guidance on solving differential equations, while others reflect on their assumptions about acceleration. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored without explicit consensus.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem's requirements, including initial conditions and the focus on specific variables like omega. There is an acknowledgment of confusion regarding the nature of acceleration and the integration process.

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Homework Statement


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The first question asks:
Which (fictitious) force will cause the sledge to accelerate along the rails? Give the modulus and direction of the sledge at distance r<R from the centre.

The next question asks:
Obtain an expression for the displacement r(t) for r<R, starting from the acceleration, and the initial condition r(0) = [tex]r_0[/tex].



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The Attempt at a Solution


a) Centrifugal force is the fictious force that causes the sled to accelerate. The acceleration is given by [tex]\omega^2 * r[/tex].

b) Now this is where I get most stuck.

So far I have said that [tex]a = \frac{d^2r}{dt^2}[/tex], so I integrated twice and ended up with the basic kinematic equation [tex]r = ut + \frac{1}{2}at^2[/tex] (which I would have guessed, but integrated as I assumed that's what the question was hinting at).
From here I said that u = 0, and was left with [tex]r = \omega^2rt^2 + r_0[/tex], but I'm a little confused about this. Surely r cannot be on both sides of the equation at the same time. As I've been writing this I've also thought about using [tex]\frac{v^2}{r}[/tex] instead of [tex]\omega^2r[/tex], but on further thought I end up with the same problem of having r on both sides of the equation (it would now be multiplied by the constant term), as well as having the v term that is never mentioned in the question itself (I know I probably could use it, but further questions relate to omega so I have this gut feeling that I should stick with omega in this question).

Any thoughts about this?
 
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The acceleration is not constant. You integrated [tex]\frac{d^2r}{dt^2}[/tex] assuming it was constant.

You gave the correct acceleration in part (a):

[tex]\frac{d^2r}{dt^2} = \omega^2 r[/tex]
 
I just had the thought, that going from [tex]\frac{d^2r}{dt^2} = \omega^2r[/tex] that you could say that [tex]r=e^{at}[/tex] and put it back into the equation. From this and the initial conditions it emerges that [tex]r=r_{0}e^{\omega t}[/tex].

I think that makes a little more sense to me.
 
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Yes, that's how to solve linear second order differential equations :approve:
 
Never dawned on me that that's what the problem was referring to. I naturally assumed that the acceleration was constant. Makes lots of sense now.
 

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