What Causes an Object to Be Hot?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of temperature and what causes an object to be perceived as hot. Participants explore the definitions and properties of temperature, its relationship to mass, and the implications of these properties in different contexts. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest looking into the kinetic theory to understand temperature.
  • One participant states that an object is hotter than another when its temperature is larger, prompting further inquiry into what determines that temperature.
  • Another participant argues that temperature should be viewed as a property of matter, similar to mass, and discusses the complexities of defining temperature and thermodynamic equilibrium.
  • There is a distinction made between extensive properties (like mass) and intensive properties (like temperature), with an emphasis on the non-additive nature of temperature.
  • Some participants express disagreement regarding the analogy between temperature and mass, with one stating that adding mass to a system does not change its temperature.
  • An analogy is drawn between temperature and other properties of matter, such as sound and light, highlighting both similarities and essential differences.
  • A hypothetical scenario is posed regarding the weight of heated objects, questioning if temperature affects weight on a calibrated scale.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between temperature and mass, with no consensus reached on whether temperature can be analogized to mass or how to define it in various contexts. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the ambiguity in defining temperature, particularly in non-equilibrium states, and the implications of this ambiguity on understanding heat energy in different systems.

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This question may sound silly but believe it or not i can't seem to find the answer on the internet, What makes a hot object hot?
 
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One object is hotter than another when it's temperature is larger.
 
Andy Resnick said:
One object is hotter than another when it's temperature is larger.

And what makes its temperature larger?
 
That's a totally different question.

I'm not trying to be obtuse- honestly. "temperature" should be viewed as a property of matter similar to 'mass'. "What makes one object heavier than another?" "it has more mass".

"temperature" is a way to quantify what we mean by 'hot' and 'cold'. How we assign a single, specific, number to a given object is not trivial to understand- at the most basic level, we require the object be in a state of 'equilibrium', which then opens up the question of how to define equilibrium (how long do you want to wait?) and the meaning of 'thermodynamic state'.

Here's an example of how 'temperature' can be ambiguous: blackbody radiation is a specific state of electromagnetic radiation that can be identified as being at thermodynamic equilibrium and assigned a unique temperature. What about laser light? What is the temperature of laser light? AFAIK, there is no satisfactory answer:

http://dx.doi.org/10.1119/1.1603268

How the temperature of an object changes when a process occurs is mostly straightforward (i.e. heat -> specific heat -> temperature change), but again that assumes equilibrium conditions (and a few other assumptions).
 
"temperature" should be viewed as a property of matter similar to 'mass'. "What makes one object heavier than another?" "it has more mass".

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Extensive properties of a body, such as volume or mass or kinetic energy are additive; The value for the whole body is equal to the sum of the values for the individual parts.

Intensive properties of a body, such as pressure or temperature or density are not additive; The value for the whole body is the same as the value for any part for constant systems; Intensive properties may also vary throughout a body.

This is a very important distinction. In particular the temperature of a body is not a measure of the heat energy in a body. The polar ice cap contains much more energy than my body, and yet my body is at a higher temperature.
 
I'm not sure what you are asking me: nothing you said contradicts what I said. Clearly, a body can have hotter parts and colder parts, but then we do not assign "a" temperature to the body.
 
Hello Andy

Sorry to have to disagree but temperature is not similar to mass.

If you add a 1Kg weight to a 10 Kg stack of weights the result is 11 Kg.

If you do this in an ordinary gym the temperature of the stack of weights does not alter.
 
Obviously mass is not the same thing as temperature. Here's an analogy: sound and light. Sound and light have many shared properties (diffraction, interference, etc), but some essential differences as well.

That is sense that I mean temperature and mass are similar: they are both properties of matter, both scalar fields, and the origin of both is currently unknown.
 
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IF one were to raise the "temperature" of a 1Kg weight to 10^2 of an identical weight, would they weigh the same on a calibrated scale?
 
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And less relevantly, but equally interesting:



If you hadn't heard of him, Feynman was one of the great physicists of the 20th century, and won a Nobel Prize for his work on quantum mechanics, so a reliable source!
 
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