What Causes Normal Forces in Physics?

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The discussion centers on the nature of normal forces in physics, specifically exploring the underlying mechanisms that cause these forces to arise when an object is in contact with a surface. Participants delve into atomic interactions and the fundamental principles that govern contact forces, including electromagnetic interactions.

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  • One participant questions the fundamental nature of normal forces and seeks an explanation of the atomic-level interactions that lead to their existence.
  • Another participant suggests that contact forces, including normal forces, are fundamentally electromagnetic due to the interactions of charged particles within atoms, which prevents them from occupying the same space.
  • A different participant shares an analogy involving a water bottle to illustrate how atomic interactions contribute to the stability of solid objects and the concept of normal force, emphasizing the mutual pushing between the bottle and the table.
  • One participant provides a concise explanation that electron clouds around atoms repel each other, contributing to the normal force experienced at surfaces.

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Participants express various viewpoints regarding the nature of normal forces, with no consensus reached on a singular explanation. Multiple models and interpretations are presented, reflecting differing levels of understanding and emphasis on atomic interactions.

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Some explanations rely on simplified analogies and may not capture the full complexity of atomic interactions. The discussion does not resolve the deeper implications of these interactions or their broader relevance in physics.

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Hi,

I am wondering why normal forces 'are'?

I mean, I know what they 'do', but why does a surface create a force when a force is put against it? Obviously, it follows Newton's law of equal and opposite reactions, but can anyone explain what happens, if even on an atomic level, to create said force? What's going on under the hood?

Is this part of a more specific area of physics?

Thanks!
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What I can tell you is that contact forces like friction, normal force, etc are fundamentally electromagnetic in nature. Atoms can't occupy the same space because they consist of charged particles that interact when they get close to each other. The concept of "touching" becomes meaningless on these scales. I'm sure others can provide further details.

EDIT: The answer to your question of whether another area of physics becomes relevant when describing things on these scales is, "yes."
 
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My teahcer explained it kind of-probably-very unscientifically, but it seemed to help the class:
He started with his water bottle. What he said was that the millions of billions of trillions of atoms in the bottle are always pushing against each other in the molecules which always push each other. That's why the bottle doesn't move and fall apart. It's solid, and it stays how it is because all the atoms and molecules are equal and they push with the same force.
Now, if you put the bottle on a table, the bottle's atoms and molecules are not only pushing against themselves, but also against what surface area they come in contact with: the table. And while the bottle's force is pushing on the table, the table's force has to push back the same amount to keep it from moving. That's the basic principal of normal force.

Sorry if that didn't help; it's much easier to explain it in person. -crissa
 
Simple answer: atoms all have an electron cloud. Electron clouds repel each other.
 

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