Normal force and force of friction inside a tube

In summary, the conversation revolves around the concept of force when passing a cylinder into a narrow tube. One person believes the normal force increases due to the lubricant Stribeck curve, while the other thinks it is due to the pressure exerted by the tube. It is concluded that the normal force does increase as the contact area increases, making it easier to hold a heavy rod vertically using all four fingers instead of just one.
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Dear all,

Me and some colleagues (non-physicists) are discussing how force works when passing a cylinder (which we are holding) into a narrow tube. As we insert more of the cylinder into the tube, the force we are exerting is increasing. My theory is that the normal force is increasing and his theory is that it is only due to lubricant Stribeck curve.

We understand that surface area is not taken into account for normal force, which normally is the weight. However, in this case, as we insert more of the cylinder into the tube, doesn't the normal force increases? I thought that this case is different because it is not the weight (as we are holding the cylinder straight, in the air) but the pressure that is creating a force, and the pressure the narrow tube is exerting on the cylinder is the same, but as surface area increases, the normal force would increase. What do you think?
Edit: The outside tube in this case is elastic.
 
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I think you are correct. The pressure (force per unit area) exerted by the outer elastic tube is the same, but the contact area increases as the inner cylinder is pushed farther in. If the contact area increases so does the radial total force. This raises the upper threshold of static friction so that more force is needed to push the cylinder farther in.

Assuming that all four of your fingers are equally strong (ignore the thumb), why is it easier to wrap around and hold a heavy rod vertical using all four fingers instead of just one?
 
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Thank you so much for the explanation.
 
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1. What is the normal force inside a tube?

The normal force inside a tube is the force exerted by the walls of the tube on an object placed inside it. It is always perpendicular to the surface of the object and is equal in magnitude to the force that the object exerts on the walls of the tube.

2. How is the normal force related to the weight of an object inside a tube?

The normal force is equal and opposite to the weight of an object inside a tube. This means that if the weight of the object increases, the normal force will also increase to balance it out.

3. What causes the force of friction inside a tube?

The force of friction inside a tube is caused by the roughness of the surface of the object and the walls of the tube. As the object moves, the rough surfaces create resistance, resulting in the force of friction.

4. How is the force of friction affected by the weight of an object inside a tube?

The force of friction is directly proportional to the weight of an object inside a tube. This means that as the weight of the object increases, the force of friction also increases.

5. Can the normal force and force of friction inside a tube be greater than the weight of an object?

Yes, it is possible for the normal force and force of friction inside a tube to be greater than the weight of an object. This can happen if the object is accelerating or if there is an external force acting on the object, such as a fan blowing air inside the tube.

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