What Causes the Coriolis Effect When Throwing a Ball on a Merry-Go-Round?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Coriolis effect observed when throwing a ball on a spinning merry-go-round. Participants explore the underlying mechanics of the curved trajectory of the ball, considering both inertial and non-inertial frames of reference.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the Coriolis effect explains the curved path of the ball when thrown inwards, considering the interplay between the ball's velocity and the rotation of the merry-go-round.
  • Another participant questions whether the path is truly curved or merely appears so due to the spinning of the merry-go-round, proposing that the ball travels in a straight line from an inertial frame perspective.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that from the rotating frame, the curved path can be explained through inertial forces, specifically the Coriolis and centrifugal forces, suggesting that calculations in the rotating frame can predict the trajectory accurately.
  • One participant challenges the assumption that angular momentum is conserved in a non-inertial frame, raising questions about the validity of applying conservation laws in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the ball's trajectory, with some arguing for the influence of inertial forces while others question the conservation of angular momentum in a non-inertial frame. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the applicability of conservation laws in non-inertial frames and the interpretation of trajectories from different reference frames.

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Imagine I stand on a merry-go-round and throw a ball inwards towards the center. The path will make a curve due to the coriolis force. I want to know what explains this.
If the ball is thrown inwards, the velocity of the disk gets slower and slower the lower radius as seen from our frame of reference. This will make the ball faster than the rotation.
But at the same time, the balls angular momentum should also be conserved, and thus that should also make the velocity greater. Do both these things then contribute to the coriolis force?
 
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I thought the path merely appears curved because the merry go round is spinning. Isn't it going in a straight line?
 
Not if you see it from the merry-go-rounds point of view. If you are looking from an inertial frame yes. Thats how I think it is.
 
If you're in the rotating frame and want to explain the weird curved path taken by the ball as you see it, you have to invoke the inertial forces, i.e Coriolis and centrifugal forces. But if you do that and calculate where the ball should go while under the influence of those forces, you should predict the trajectory correctly, in reference to your rotating coordinates.

It just so happens that in the external stationary frame, the calculation is much easier to do, and the trajectory is relatively trivial. If you really want to do it in the rotating frame, however, you can.
 
aaaa202 said:
But at the same time, the balls angular momentum should also be conserved...
Who say that angular momentum should be conserved in a non inertial frame of reference?
 

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