What Causes the Discrepancy in Standing Wave Velocity Measurements?

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The discussion centers around the discrepancies observed in the velocity measurements of standing waves created in a fixed length of pipe during a laboratory experiment. Participants explore potential sources of error in the experimental setup and calculations, including human error and physical factors affecting wave propagation.

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  • Experimental/applied
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the experimental procedure and the calculations used to determine wave velocity, noting discrepancies between calculated and "actual" velocities.
  • Another participant suggests that the model used for calculations may not account for factors such as the stiffness of the pipe, which could affect results.
  • Concerns are raised about the need to estimate percentage errors in measurements and the inherent inaccuracies in determining the "actual velocity" of sound.
  • One participant emphasizes that all experiments are subject to systematic and random errors, which should be considered when interpreting results.
  • There is a mention of potential issues with measuring internodal distances if specific materials, like lycopodium powder, were used in the experiment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the sources of error and the adequacy of the experimental model. There is no consensus on the primary cause of the discrepancies in velocity measurements, with multiple competing explanations being offered.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of detailed information regarding measurement protocols and error sizes, which may limit the interpretation of the results. The discussion highlights the complexity of accurately measuring wave velocities and the factors that could influence these measurements.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and educators involved in experimental physics, particularly those focused on wave phenomena and measurement accuracy in laboratory settings.

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I just completed a lab in which we created standing waves in a fixed length of pipe using a function generator. An oscilloscope was used to measure the amplitude of the waves. The frequency was changed until a resonant condition was met, and then the location of all the nodes/antinodes was measured. We used the distance from antinode to antinode to measure the wavelength of the wave. (One wavelength = 2X the distance measured). This was repeated for two additional frequencies.

Once we had this information, we calculated the velocity of the waves using the equation:
v = frequency * wavelength.

These values were then compared to the "actual" speed of sound, as calculated from the equation v = 331.5 +.607(T), where T was 24 Celsius.

So here's my question: The calculated velocity of the first standing wave was smaller than the "actual" velocity. The calculated velocity of the second and third standing waves was BIGGER than the "actual" velocity. What explains this? Can the difference be attributed to human error in measuring the distance between antinodes or is there some physical phenomenon going on?
 
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The first error source I would suspect is your "equation" model. I see, for instance, no consideration of the stiffness of the pipe. I see no mention of the size of the error or the measuring protocol. Was the error consistent across the many students' project?

As I recall my freshman physics class, the bulk of the lab lecture was on evaluating the errors.
 
All experiments are subject to systematic and random errors.When using your results to calculate the speed you should,ideally,have estimated the percentage error and expressed the results accordingly eg speed of sound=330m/s+or-5%.Even what you called the "actual velocity" cannot be measured to absolute accuracy and precision.Taking errors into account there should be overlap between the "actual velocity" and the calculated velocity.
 
Doug Huffman said:
The first error source I would suspect is your "equation" model. I see, for instance, no consideration of the stiffness of the pipe. I see no mention of the size of the error or the measuring protocol. Was the error consistent across the many students' project?

As I recall my freshman physics class, the bulk of the lab lecture was on evaluating the errors.

I suspect also that something like lycopodium powder was used and if so the would be large errors in measuring the internodal distances.
 

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